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Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by arionhardison »

Bewelge wrote: post #22
Mashimo wrote: post #14

> https://code.overheid.nl/RegelRecht/regelrecht > Machine-readable Dutch law execution. regelrecht takes legal texts, encodes them as structured YAML, and runs them as deterministic decision logic. The engine takes a regulation and a set of inputs, evaluates the decision logic, and returns a result with a full explanation trail Can someone explain this to me? Not the technical aspect, but rather a user story or use…

https://regelrecht.rijks.app/ I think that's the project. "Modern calculation engine as a building block for the entire government. In collaboration with the Benefits Service (Dienst Toeslagen). Can we develop a general calculation engine for the government? This project explores how such a system could help in executing complex regulations for citizens and businesses, for example, when calculating benefits."

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Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by makeitcount »

embedding-shape wrote: post #54
makeitcount wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH, I'm not even closely versed in governance systems, but somehow would love to learn from this critical community. I'm open to variety of opinions backed by thorough thinking, and believe that we as a global society can and will go beyond "just" selfish interest prioritization, towards healthier balance for common good. PS.: The earlier we try to encourage exploration and wider discussion of alternatives to "capit…

> TBH, I'm not even closely versed in governance systems, So again, why keep spreading this project you aren't responsible for, and whose domain you aren't even familiar with?

Seems interesting. But i have a feeling that you are after something else. Why don't you take a better look and share if you have good ideas to add, not just brushing things off as "nothing to see here".

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by fragmede »

embedding-shape wrote: post #30
oever wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their plan is to do nothing to stop the transfer of the system to a USA company. By doing nothing, they are making this happen.

> Their plan is to do nothing to stop the transfer of the system to a USA company And you have concrete proof that this is indeed the plan, stated by the government as the official position, or this is based on your own extrapolation of rumors? The amount of misinformation that any story related to any European country seems to pull in is crazy, seems to be something about the continent that makes some parts of HN fe…

C'mon, be nice, they read a Russian propaganda post and are repeating it as a fact they earnestly believe. We can't all see through their lies.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by sigio »

oever wrote: post #5
ivolimmen wrote: post #3

I am Dutch and I am glad they finally started to do some open sourcing. I have worked at different governmental bodies and have been promoting open source for some time now. But as a simple 'added hands for hire' I never got any response to my pleas. I guess it's typical Dutch that we are one of the last to do so.

The government still plans to place the authentication system of all Dutch citizens in USA hands. And interestingly, code.overheid.nl runs from a residential ip address.

It's an ODIDO ip, but from the old versatel block. I'm assuming it's a business netblock, not the typical ftth/dsl range.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by arionhardison »

Mashimo wrote: post #14

> https://code.overheid.nl/RegelRecht/regelrecht > Machine-readable Dutch law execution. regelrecht takes legal texts, encodes them as structured YAML, and runs them as deterministic decision logic. The engine takes a regulation and a set of inputs, evaluates the decision logic, and returns a result with a full explanation trail Can someone explain this to me? Not the technical aspect, but rather a user story or use…

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Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by embedding-shape »

makeitcount wrote: post #62
embedding-shape wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> TBH, I'm not even closely versed in governance systems, So again, why keep spreading this project you aren't responsible for, and whose domain you aren't even familiar with?

Seems interesting. But i have a feeling that you are after something else. Why don't you take a better look and share if you have good ideas to add, not just brushing things off as "nothing to see here".

How about you share a recipe for how to make a strawberry cake?

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by ramon156 »

Proud dutchie here! I was wondering this morning whether they were going to migrate away from GH. Really glad that they did.

I remember applying for a job (at some weird company) to be put up as an open-source contributor for the dutch government last year. The idea was that I was going to build on top of MuleSoft stuff. They ghosted me a day later, despite me having already done these things for the client they needed me for. I would advise anyone that is looking for OS contributors to not out-source them through companies, as the models don't really align.

Nowadays I'm communicating with people in Utrecht to get partijgedrag to a newer level (the current one is kind of weak). I would love to build some tooling on top of our government APIs, as well. I don't think people realize how much internal tooling is being built with the idea to release them to the public. It's really cool to see.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by arionhardison »

newsclues wrote: post #8

Is there a network or organization for the coordination of government open source projects? I love the idea of my city, region or nation (or planet) working to solve a problem and releasing the tool to the public. I just don't want every government to duplicate all the same work, some duplication and competition is fine. But the idea that different places have different specialities etc....

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Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by sschueller »

debarshri wrote: post #28

Funny enough, GitLab, has a dutch founder.

Gitlab has become quite hostile and I would not be surprise if they stop supporting their open source version. Even if you want to pay, the starting price is quite high and there is only one price now and for everything else you need to make a "deal" with them.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by brodo »

ramon156 wrote: post #67

Proud dutchie here! I was wondering this morning whether they were going to migrate away from GH. Really glad that they did. I remember applying for a job (at some weird company) to be put up as an open-source contributor for the dutch government last year. The idea was that I was going to build on top of MuleSoft stuff. They ghosted me a day later, despite me having already done these things for the client they need…

NLnet is also a great Dutch initiative. It's great to see that smaller, more nimble countries are leading the way in Open Source and digital independence.
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