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Warp is now open-source

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Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by petcat »

Flimm wrote: post #59
petcat wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest scam that was ever pulled was convincing software developers that the GPL was somehow bad and out of vogue and that open source should prefer BSD, MIT, Apache, etc instead. And now we have entire threads like this of people crying because some company used someone's software exactly as the license allows . It's a shame, but there really is no sympathy for projects that choose the wrong license. Stallman k…

The GPL would not have prevented the scenario that the top-level comment complained about. Nothing in the GPL requires rich downstream projects to send money to poor upstream projects. That's by design. The four freedoms that Stallman preaches intentionally permit distributing the software to free riders.

It would have prevented Warp from forking Alacritty and re-distributing it as a closed source product. That's what it's about. This whole scenario would have been impossible from the start because Warp would have been forced by the license to be good open source citizens.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by Aeroi »

shimman wrote: post #7

Still feel extremely negative towards this company for tweaking an Alacritty fork then using that to get a $50million venture round then giving zero money towards Alacritty, an open source library that the founder completely owes their career too. Not shocked they partnered with another company that is fine with raping the commons for profit, OpenAI. They definitely did some git cleanup to remove this fact too going…

genuinely asking, what is the appropriate compensation/donation/split for a company that uses open source heavily in their early days but later makes money off of it?

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by scubbo »

ukblewis wrote: post #42
lucidia wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you shouldn’t be surprised though. most people in tech only care about money and you already know if you align yourself with Altman, your morals already aren’t in the right place.

This should be banned on this platform. If you are against Altman or his values or morals, that is fine, but calling others who do feel aligned with him immoral… well that kind of hate leads to attempts on Altman’s life of which we have already seen one. You better stop with this behaviour before you encourage others to do actions that you will regret

Lol, lmao, shut up idiot.

(exactly as lowbrow of a response as your nonsense deserves)

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by shimman »

Aeroi wrote: post #62
shimman wrote: post #7

Still feel extremely negative towards this company for tweaking an Alacritty fork then using that to get a $50million venture round then giving zero money towards Alacritty, an open source library that the founder completely owes their career too. Not shocked they partnered with another company that is fine with raping the commons for profit, OpenAI. They definitely did some git cleanup to remove this fact too going…

genuinely asking, what is the appropriate compensation/donation/split for a company that uses open source heavily in their early days but later makes money off of it?

Well do you consider yourself a good human or a greedy one? Do you care about others and community or just yourself?

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by mulhoon »

Pretty happy with Warp so far. The vertical tabs are a game changer, having all my projects down the side and flipping between them (each one having multiple split terminals) works really well compared with horizontal tabs. Looking forward to each update.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by petcat »

zachlloyd wrote: post #33
hmokiguess wrote: post #22

I swear I tried. I installed warp maybe 4 times after long intervals. At each time I always ended up with the same feeling as my initial impression: overwhelming. I think I’m not the target demographic for it, I’m fine with iTerm2 and Ghostty, but I somehow still feel this void where I wish the terminal was a little more abstract and rich, just not to the level Warp takes it. I wish there were an in-between solution…

We hear this feedback a bunch and are trying to make Warp more customizable so you can pick and choose which of the extra, non-terminal features you find most useful . You can turn off all the AI if you want, and also control what editing features are surfaced (e.g. file tree, diff view, etc). Would love feedback on how to improve the experience.

> trying to make Warp more customizable so you can pick and choose which of the extra, non-terminal features

I think this will contribute even more to the overwhelming feeling. I don't think people want endless configuration. They want something with an opinionated product direction. It seems like Warp lacks that resolve and is trying to be too much because nobody has decided what it is actually supposed to be.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by morgango »

I am a paying user of Warp and really enjoy it when it behaves.

I do struggle with having AI forced on me at times, when I press a key errantly and seem to be driven away from the command line and deeper and deeper into AI-land with questions and "are you sure ...".

My ESC key is wearing out.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by elcritch »

ktm5j wrote: post #36
devin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sort of can't tell if this is supposed to be a joke or not. It seems like you're explaining that in addition to not supporting the project from which your company spawned 50M, they also supplied free work for which they were never compensated. That's supposed to be better or something?

I mean, if they have a working relationship with each other then I guess the alacritty folks don't hate their guts. That's meaningful from my perspective. Also remember that the $50m is not revenue that they can use however they want. They have an obligation to their investors to make money with it.

> They have an obligation to their investors to make money with it.

It's bit more nuanced. The company management have fiducial responsibilities to the investors but also have responsibility to the company itself and its employees. E.g. Milton Friedman's shared-holder primacy is a crap philosophy and one of the most damaging ones to actual healthy free market economies. For example, in corporate bankruptcy in the US workers get paid before shareholders.

The courts have also tended to favor the company management as long as they're acting reasonably, so I've read. IANAL, but it shouldn't be too hard to say hey this support contract for a core piece of software reduces risk for us by X, Y or helps get Z feature.

Re: Warp is now open-source

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Post by dpe82 »

shimman wrote: post #7

Still feel extremely negative towards this company for tweaking an Alacritty fork then using that to get a $50million venture round then giving zero money towards Alacritty, an open source library that the founder completely owes their career too. Not shocked they partnered with another company that is fine with raping the commons for profit, OpenAI. They definitely did some git cleanup to remove this fact too going…

I don't really understand the controversy; there are plenty of licenses an author can choose that restricts commercial use of a project. It feels a bit dishonest to release something under a permissive license and then be upset when someone uses your stuff well within the ways you said is perfectly ok.
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