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Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by llbbdd »

theplatman wrote: post #10

so we're trusting the guy who created tech to make it easier for bots to exist on the internet to then sell us the solution to fix the problem he made worse?

I've seen this take a lot and I don't really understand it. IMO if there's anybody to blame here, and I don't think there is, you could go back and assign blame to the authors of the Attention is All You Need paper, or Google as its publisher.

Once that was out in the wild it was only a matter of time before someone productized it, but there was no conceivable world in which nobody decided to, and there was no guarantee that it was going to be public in all cases. The basis for LLMs is so simple in hindsight that it's not even impossible that it'd been independently discovered and privately weaponized for many years before 2017.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by stefan_ »

HSO wrote: post #48
theplatman wrote: post #10

so we're trusting the guy who created tech to make it easier for bots to exist on the internet to then sell us the solution to fix the problem he made worse?

he didnt create anything

Ironically, of the only thing he did create (ostensibly), a copycat never went anywhere "social network", its claim to fame was the app (preinstalled by paying carriers) spamming your entire contact book with SMS invitations to join their failing network. Splendid privacy record!

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by iknowstuff »

Judging solely by their FAQ, this is not enough. Iris photos can be fabricated client-side, including by AI, and can be shared.

So it's invasive AND worthless? Why is this getting support?

You need an offline/IRL verification step and measures to prevent sharing/cloning. AND you need to never phone home revealing services you're using.

Total garbage

    Proof of human verification powered by the Orb only involves one type of data: images of your eyes and face. It does not require your name, email, gender or anything else.
    
    The iris images are used to verify unique humanness, while the images of your face are used for Face Auth, a security feature that ensures only the person who verified their World ID at an Orb can use it.

    The Orb takes high-resolution images of your irises and face.
    The Orb uses these images to confirm your humanness and converts the iris image into a unique code which is then split into randomized multi-party compute (MPC) fragments.
    The Orb sends the images and MPC fragments to your device (your personal custody package), before permanently deleting them.
Your device sends the fragments to the AMPC service to confirm you have never verified before. Your World ID is verified.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by [deleted] »

iknowstuff wrote: post #64

Judging solely by their FAQ, this is not enough. Iris photos can be fabricated client-side, including by AI, and can be shared. So it's invasive AND worthless? Why is this getting support? You need an offline/IRL verification step and measures to prevent sharing/cloning. AND you need to never phone home revealing services you're using. Total garbage Proof of human verification powered by the Orb only involves one typ…

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Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by taeric »

watwut wrote: post #54
taeric wrote: post #31

This is an odd topic. On the one hand, we do seem to have a problem where attention is hijacked by engagement farming. On the other, we also know of problems from draconian management. I would actually like it if we had something that could say, only promote things on my feeds that are "liked" by people within a geographic radius of me. At the least, mute things that are getting pumped from hostile regions. I just do…

Or like, have chronological feed of accounts user follows. Simple. Produces less outrage tho, so it is a no go.

This assumes that most people would choose that feed? Which, I'm less convinced.

That is, this sounds like the idea that telling people if bad things happen when you eat too much candy, then people will eat less candy. Just flat not the case at large.

Yes, you also have to document the downsides of candy. Such that I'm also all for having that feed. But I don't see it being enough to move the needle much, on its own.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by booleandilemma »

xantronix wrote: post #26
booleandilemma wrote: post #16

I think we need less technology. Can we have a de-tech movement? Life-saving tech is fine but enough is enough with software, AI, surveillance, etc. It's too much. It's been too much for the past twenty years or so.

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Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by notahacker »

jacquesm wrote: post #35
gentleman11 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weirdly, peter thiel is going on tour right now promoting the idea that the antichrist is coming and may be an organization or social movement rather than a person. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I only skimmed the articles about it

'And how do you know this is the case?' : 'Receipts, mostly.'.

yeah, always struck me as odd that Thiel is more obsessed with identifying candidate antichrists than almost anyone else on the planet, including some people who are actually observant Christians, and yet it doesn't seem to have occurred to him that the most messianic secular figures who treat themselves as above mere laws and the guys making millenarian prophesies about the scale of what they're going to deliver are basically the guys in his rolodex...

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by demorro »

llbbdd wrote: post #61
theplatman wrote: post #10

so we're trusting the guy who created tech to make it easier for bots to exist on the internet to then sell us the solution to fix the problem he made worse?

I've seen this take a lot and I don't really understand it. IMO if there's anybody to blame here, and I don't think there is, you could go back and assign blame to the authors of the Attention is All You Need paper, or Google as its publisher. Once that was out in the wild it was only a matter of time before someone productized it, but there was no conceivable world in which nobody decided to, and there was no guaran…

> Once that was out in the wild it was only a matter of time before someone productized it, but there was no conceivable world in which nobody decided to...

By this logic, we cannot blame anyone who is the agent of anything that we deem to be inevitable. Just because it is eventually going to happen, that means you are completely non-culpable for being the person who does it. This could obviously be extended into justifying pretty much anything.

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