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Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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Post by gbnwl »

Noaidi wrote: post #47
soupfordummies wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if the weather was bad the accomplishment would mean more then? I don’t think this is how it works. Sports don’t happen in a vacuum.

Yes. If sports does not happen in a vacuum then comparisons are unfair. If I go to the moon and break the record for long jumping should I be applauded? I thought there were scientists on here...

Never thought I'd see the day ragebait made it to HN. Yes, let's pretend doing a long jump on the moon is comparable to running a marathon at its prescheduled time at its prescheduled location. Weather is always a factor in sports that take place outside. Might as well put asterisks on all accomplishments that took place on sunny days by your logic right?

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Post by jjmarr »

soupfordummies wrote: post #29
Noaidi wrote: post #21

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So if the weather was bad the accomplishment would mean more then? I don’t think this is how it works. Sports don’t happen in a vacuum.

Sprinting/jump performances are invalidated for world record purposes if there's over 2.0 m/s of wind assistance.

There is no rule for marathons.

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Post by mkl »

rkagerer wrote: post #30
adverbly wrote: post #10

Wait two runners beat it in the same race? Was there perfect conditions.or something? Insane you could run 1:59:41 and not win!

Three of them, actually: Sabastian Sawe 1:59:30 Yomif Kejelcha 1:59:41 Jacob Kiplimo 2:00:28 The previous official record was Kelvin Kiptum's time of 2:00:35 in 2023. Eliud Kipchoge did 1:59:40 in 2019, but that wasn't record-eligible as it was held under controlled conditions. Source: The article.

Two beat two hours is what they meant.

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Post by tokai »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #55
soupfordummies wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if the weather was bad the accomplishment would mean more then? I don’t think this is how it works. Sports don’t happen in a vacuum.

Too bad, you could run a lot faster in a vacuum...except for that whole breathing thing.

Can't wait for vacuum track racing on the moon.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00421-010-1410-1

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Post by nradov »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #45
Noaidi wrote: post #21

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Better weather has, to the best of my knowledge, never been part of marathon record keeping. People do note in accounts of (e.g.) the Boston marathon that the weather was particularly atrocious in some years (hence a general slow down across the field), but weather "aided" fast times are not considered illegitimate or even worthy of note. Obviously, barring wind, which is why some marathon courses are not eligible fo…

Correct. Boston is a net downhill point-to-point course and not record eligible under World Athletics rules.

https://worldathletics.org/records/certified-roadevents

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Post by ekr____ »

Noaidi wrote: post #43
Forgeties79 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a wild reason to withhold a true record. People run marathons in all sorts of conditions since it became a thing. It is unlikely this is the best weather ever for a record set and even if it was, it’s never been a factor when deciding to qualify a record. That’s beyond unfair.

I am surprised at the push back on this. It is just science and it mentioned it in the article. https://marathonhandbook.com/large-scale-marathon-study-iden... I just said it needs an asterisk, not withholding anything. What if someone runs one second slower in higher humidity and temperature. Now that I would applaud.

Why do you think the existing records weren't also set under good conditions?

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Post by michaelt »

piker wrote: post #16

Insane; and second place was sub-2:00 as well. Relegated to trivia questions for the next decade. It would be interesting to adjust this speed to account for the insane advancements in shoe technology over the last decade. Could it be as simple as measuring the delta in median marathon performance? Then look backwards to, say, 1996 and see what the technology-adjusted 2:00 mark is.

> Could it be as simple as measuring the delta in median marathon performance?

The popularity of running waxes and wanes - and the performance of the median runner varies with popularity.

Back in the 1980s the average half marathon finishing time was 1 hour 40 minutes - whereas today it's a little above 2 hours because there are a lot more people particpating.

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Post by spenjovewkwhalo »

Posted to my in-laws, who asked how:

Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards.

Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective.

Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going harder into the hard stuff and knowing when they can back off and rest.

And to be honest, probably a metric tonne of PEDs (performance enhancing drugs) - unfortunately this is very common across all sports at the top level.

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Post by canucker2016 »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #40
nikcub wrote: post #12

Stunning results at the top of the field. Some interesting takeaways on both fuelling and shoes. Maurten spent months working with Sawe and other runners getting their gut capacity trained so they could absorb and burn 100 carbs per hour[0][1] > The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by m…

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