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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by dnautics »

kybernetikos wrote: post #45
dnautics wrote: post #37

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All systems have problems. What's your evidence that the system in the US is overall net negative? Pretty much the entire rest of the world would have loved to have a scentific system as good as that in the USA. The research output from both government and business was much more extensive and productive of value than the equivalent systems in europe for example.

> What's your evidence that the system in the US is overall net negative?

really? reproducibility crisis, stagnation in various fundamental fields, and bullshit ive seen with my own eyes working in the salt mines of academic science

> Pretty much the entire rest of the world

no doubt, the irony being that by trying to copy the us' vannevar bush model these other parts of the world will invariably fall into the same p-hacking/publication count/tenure chasing system that leads to the rotten system the us has. except the us got to pick tge low hanging scientific fruit already

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by wat10000 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #51
gwerbin wrote: post #32

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The people who voted for him are the real danger.

77 million people thought he should be in charge. Nearly 40% of Americans still think he's doing a fine job. I'll be glad to see the back of him, but it won't solve the problem.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by dnautics »

imoverclocked wrote: post #53
dnautics wrote: post #42

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well the first step is the same, so might as well get that part done with.

You will not live forever. Would applying the same logic again suit you? Timing matters. Where current resources go matters. Having a plan matters. The current system is not perfect but it’s far better than no system at all.

> The current system is not perfect but it’s far better than no system at all.

you should question this assertion. your assertion is dependent on the assumption that science is a strictly positive sum game (with respect to funding). i am saying it is not, and i have provided the mechanistic explanation of why it's not.

all i ask people to think about is: bad science is worth negative.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by huxley »

citizenkeen wrote: post #52
Aurornis wrote: post #17

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I disagree with this move, but the people who lost these positions were in temporary advisory roles. This isn’t a career job for them. The article says 8 members are replaced every 2 years and the terms are 6 years long. Between 1/4 or 1/2 of them would have been replaced during this presidency, and whoever gets placed now will start to be replaced by the next administration. As for China: They’re not known for havin…

I don’t share your optimism that these positions will be replaced. I don’t know why you think they would be.

Oh they’ll be replaced, by toadies and GOP Youth interns looking for a salary and resume boost
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