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A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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They study it, thus gaining a better understanding of it. They become more familiar with it, thus replacing habit with intelligence. This leads to increased power and freedom, among other things.

You should study autism and the people around you instead of your own navel. Clearly you don't at all understand what it is to be autistic or ADHD. Have you ever tried talking to an autistic person?

as a matter of fact I have

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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This is Sick-Tok's greatest hits. I am a former special education teacher and current emergency medicine physician and have tremendous compassion for those who are truly dealing with life-limiting conditions like ASD and real EDS (the kind that causes aortic dissections among other very serious kinds of pathology). I simultaneously have compassion for those who are suffering physically and psychically and who want an…

Until you and your colleagues derive the root cause of an individual’s chronic suffering (or the patient jumps ship and has naturopathy do so), then they are chronically ill or disabled.

They don’t want to be: most just want to be recognized as what they are long enough to find the path out. or any optimization.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

#63

If this PDF isn't triggering your skepticism, you need to adjust your sensitivity for pseudoscience. It's a PDF put together by an organization that sells "neurodiversity trainings for organizations". They try to lend legitimacy by linking to papers describing conditions, but their claim that these are all a "cluster" just goes to a YouTube video of their own webinar where they discuss their "lived experiences" as th…

The whole "clustering" thing is nonsense, but there is a real thing, known as "multimorbidity". There are conditions that are often found together, such that if you diagnose one, it's worth checking for the others. This isn't because the conditions are the same, but because some causal phenomenon (usually developmental) creates the circumstances for more than one condition. Premature birth appears somewhere in the causal network in a lot of cases, as does poverty. (I'm pretty sure poverty's a cause, though premature birth might be a result of the circumstances, rather than a cause.)

On that note, Wikipedia has a much better list than this PDF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditions_comorbid_to_autism. (This list is not without its flaws, but I at least find it easier to compensate for academic ignorance than magical thinking.)

Also related is differential diagnosis, which is a process by which clinicians distinguish between different diagnoses that have overlapping symptoms. (It's not a particular fancy technique, it's literally just the name for any approach that does that.)

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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Psychosomatic suggestibility is not on the list. These are also all chronic conditions, so if the descriptions don't match your history, you have nothing to worry about.

Unfortunately this document and the linked YouTube videos uses the social media definitions of these conditions, so readers could be misled into thinking they have conditions which they don’t. The article is really bad. I do not suggest anyone take it seriously.

Yeah… I skipped the first page, in order to quickly answer the question. Shouldn't have done that. (While one should never judge a book by its cover in the metaphorical sense, it's actually quite sensible to make such judgements in the literal sense.)

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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I think this has nothing to do with commonality and more to do with the fact everyone I know who is autistic (I work in tech) has been obsessively getting themselves diagnosed with things since they were like 14 like its a religion. Just has a new thing wrong with them weekly

> I think this has nothing to do with commonality and more to do with the fact everyone I know who is autistic (I work in tech) has been obsessively getting themselves diagnosed with things since they were like 14 like its a religion.

I hope you decide to keep that opinion to yourself in the future and not tell people that what they are experiencing isn't real.

> Just has a new thing wrong with them weekly

So, you see multiple people experiencing a new medical ailment or symptom "every week" and think all these people are faking an issue so well it fools a doctor? What about my severe plaque psoriasis, T-1 Diabetes, and POTS?

Am I just imagining the giant red inflamed scaly patches of skin on each one of my joints?

Am I just psychosomatically making my body not produce insulin?

Im just making up that my blood pressure drops so low from standing too fast that I get tunnel vision?

Your opinion causes people like me to spend 20 years of their life to hide and ignore the problems they experience until they are so bad we can't function as human beings anymore. And the sad part of it is, if we (the patients) actually understood what we were dealing with early on in life, a lot of these problems can be avoided.

It's a shame so many people share your ignorant opinion and tendency to shame what you can't understand, you'll never comprehend how deeply that effects the people you are saying it about.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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Calling autism and ADHD "habits of attention" severely understates what's going on. These are neurodevelopmental conditions with substantial genetic and neurobiological components, not patterns someone can think their way out of. That framing has done real damage to people who delayed treatment because they believed they just needed more discipline or insight. Meditation can be a useful complement for some people, bu…

I don't think it understates it. I think that reality is basically made of habit. Habit is a bigger deal than you think.

> I think that reality is basically made of habit.

This statement is not self explanatory and reeks of performative profoundness, care to elaborate?

> Habit is a bigger deal than you think.

Feels like we're just adding the element of mystery to the profoundness to imply you have a deeper understanding than someone else in an attempt to get out of defending your position.

I hope not, I genuinely would rather find out you do actually have the answer to all my issues!

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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If this PDF isn't triggering your skepticism, you need to adjust your sensitivity for pseudoscience. It's a PDF put together by an organization that sells "neurodiversity trainings for organizations". They try to lend legitimacy by linking to papers describing conditions, but their claim that these are all a "cluster" just goes to a YouTube video of their own webinar where they discuss their "lived experiences" as th…

The whole "clustering" thing is nonsense, but there is a real thing, known as "multimorbidity". There are conditions that are often found together, such that if you diagnose one, it's worth checking for the others. This isn't because the conditions are the same, but because some causal phenomenon (usually developmental) creates the circumstances for more than one condition. Premature birth appears somewhere in the ca…

The downward spiral of opportunistic infection and onset disease as feedback loop is real.

Thank you.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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This is great, check my post history, I've been beating this drum for many years now. hEDS is very very very under-diagnosed and this one simple fact is sufficient to explain a the prevalence of a whole zoo of seemingly unrelated conditions. There is an incentive to keep hEDS as a 'rare' disease as the US has extra grants for disease in this classification and this has put pressure on diagnostic criteria which was ma…

> hEDS is very very very under-diagnosed Ehlers-Danlos syndrome is severely over-diagnosed right now by providers who are unqualified to diagnose it, a few charlatans who sell incorrect diagnoses as a specialty to serve a demand, and scores of TikTokers who think they understand better than the specialists. > and this one simple fact is sufficient to explain a the prevalence of a whole zoo of seemingly unrelated cond…

> Sorry, there is no conspiracy to withhold diagnoses from people.

Nope, most of you are just ineffective, which is almost worse.

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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I think this has nothing to do with commonality and more to do with the fact everyone I know who is autistic (I work in tech) has been obsessively getting themselves diagnosed with things since they were like 14 like its a religion. Just has a new thing wrong with them weekly

> I think this has nothing to do with commonality and more to do with the fact everyone I know who is autistic (I work in tech) has been obsessively getting themselves diagnosed with things since they were like 14 like its a religion. I hope you decide to keep that opinion to yourself in the future and not tell people that what they are experiencing isn't real. > Just has a new thing wrong with them weekly So, you se…

It’s a shame how many of those people are practitioners!

Re: A Collection of Chronic Medical Conditions Common in Autistic and ADHD Adults [pdf] (2023)

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That sounds like a high cholesterol diet. It’s very easy to get heart disease (the #1 killer!) doing that.

There exists evidence that dietary cholesterol and the cholesterol in your blood are unrelated. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9143438/

There’s a lot more evidence that they are. Do you think the #1 killer isn’t well-studied?

This is something everyone cites when I point out that high-cholesterol diets are unhealthy. I get it, cutting out cholesterol foods isn’t fun. But it’s simply not good for you to eat a high cholesterol diet. It WILL increase your blood cholesterol (go vegan for eight weeks and retest - I’ll bet you any amount of money your blood cholesterol drops) and WILL increase your risk for heart disease.

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