Seems to be where Udio and Suno were 2 years ago, but with a better initial UI than they had. I'm sure Google will discontinue this in a year or two. Suno has since pulled significantly ahead. This isn't another Songsmith, but it's behind the curve right now.
Google Flow Music
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Re: Google Flow Music
#62Here's my personal take on what I'll call the new realm of "AI art". Whether it's prompting a music model or an image model, there is a huge space for creative output, limited only by the human imagination. Sure, tossing in a single prompt and letting the model crap out something will produce "slop". But if you pour your heart into exploring the high-dimensional landscape of the model, you can find truly amazing stuff. This is no different than exploring the creative landscape of music, photography, and other forms of art in the pre-LLM era.
I find that people who rush to negative judgement of LLM-generated art are not going far enough in the creative process to properly judge just how much juice there is to be squeezed out of those 50-billion-dimensional spaces.
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#63What I really hate about all of this, whether it’s music, images, video or anything else, is how much they all use the word “create.” As in, you can create the music you’ve always imagined. You. Are. Not. Creating. Anything. You are prompting. Then tweaking, changing, adjusting, etc. The tech is incredible, don’t get me wrong, but it’s advertised so blatantly as the user doing the creating. Use it as a creativity too…
How does that work with using a camera to take photos?
Who is the artist? Mr. Brainwash or the artists he hired?
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m a photographer, I have almost a quarter million photos in my archives. When I take a photo, 90% of it is composition, during which I move around, analyze lighting, background, aperture, shutter speed, exposure and a whole lot of “what do I want to capture here?” The other 10% is editing, which for me involves minor color adjustments, highlights, shadows, cropping, etc. I make all the decisions. AI can generate an…
So the only difference is the amount of decisions and iteration. If someone spends 5 hours iterating with AI vs 5 minutes on a photo, which one has the better claim to being a creative work
If someone spends 5 hours communicating with an artist they're commissioning vs 5 minutes on a sketch on a napkin, I think the napkin has a stronger claim to creativity.
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#65Wow, such hate for anything AI. I haven't used it, I don't care to. But I have teenaged kids and I've seen them hang and tinker with tech and ai. They seem to love it. Sloppy humans create sloppy output. The AI is just an amplifier, it has no motive
I'm sure you're right that AI augmented workflows can (& do?) produce beautiful works that I would call art... it's just that the overwhelming majority of AI 'art' I experience on the internet is slop.
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#66I've noticed that all of these music generators suffer from something like "mean" collapse (as opposed to mode, you do get variance, but all results are highly centered around similar sounding songs). The music is all just very average, it sounds like the most average song with the most average chord progression/drum pattern per genre. I guess that makes sense if these are most likely next audio token predictors... b…
Isn’t that what the billboard charts are effectively?
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#67"Let's go surfing dude, we'll make some vibes!" This is like if someone lobotomized your grand dad and then created an tik tok account for him.
Aw, c'mon man, they're just doin their job, ya know? Chill out.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where do you draw the line? Do composers create?
At what point of detail/complexity does my restaurant order transform me into the cook?
Good question. Maybe not cook, but consider someone who picked just the right ingredients and preparation for a sandwich. Combining flavors and textures in novel ways that are as surprising as they are delicious. I would ascribe more of the creative credit to that person vs. the one cutting the bread.
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#69Ok, someone explain the use case for this? Jingles? Making a song about your friend / sig other? Are people thinking they are going to sell these songs and create an AI artist?
I've summarized Supreme Court cases into Broadway musicals. The thing about memory is that novel input increases retention. So now I know about grouse hunting and explosives that fall off trains and their constitutional implications.
Another was a set of songs that helped me emotionally regulate on the drive home after couples therapy. The lyrics contained grounding exercises that helped maintain awareness and presence and contained mindfulness practices.
Both did their job, but they were also music for utility, not necessarily for artistic enjoyment. So it's not entirely an apples to apples comparison.
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#70Wow, such hate for anything AI. I haven't used it, I don't care to. But I have teenaged kids and I've seen them hang and tinker with tech and ai. They seem to love it. Sloppy humans create sloppy output. The AI is just an amplifier, it has no motive
> Sloppy humans create sloppy output. The AI is just an amplifier, it has no motive
yes! go tell to teenager kids harmonize by typing and not editing sheet score a > 4 instrument melody without any music theory background or in-ear training