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Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by cindyllm »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #59
DrProtic wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure destroying their civilization will help them a lot.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has called for and acted towards/funded the destruction of the American people, my civilization, my family, for the last 40+ years, held mass protests of hate towards us continually. Boo hoo that rhetoric towards them from my side came close to the very much not rhetoric but moral/religious position they have vocally held, marched in support of, taught their children in school for 40+ yea…

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Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by cholantesh »

ericmay wrote: post #45
cholantesh wrote: post #38

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More like you are ignoring the US' prodigious client in the region running amok.

No I'm not ignoring Israel, I'm just evaluating Israel in context. Have they done shitty things? FOR SURE. Does that excuse Iran and Hamas with respect to the October massacre? No absolutely not. But play stupid games, win stupid prizes. On the other hand, the US just forced Israel to the negotiating table with Lebanon with a single tweet. Hopefully Israel and Lebanon can work together to rid themselves of Hezbollah…

You effectively are, none of the groups you listed sprang from the ether, summoned by Islamofascist wizardry, they exist as responses to Israeli conduct in the region, something made structurally possible almost entirely through US patronage.

>Hopefully Israel and Lebanon can work together to rid themselves of Hezbollah and restore peace.We know the UN peacekeepers certainly couldn't help here.

Case in point - the historic collaboration between Israel and Lebanon was what created the context in which Hezbollah first came into existence, and UN peacekeepers have largely been ineffective there because the IDF kept firing on them. The ceasefire agreed to a week ago doesn't push for Israeli withdrawal in any term or really any other measures for accountability on their part or the US', so 'peace' in this context is effectively just capitulation to both those parties' hegemony, I suppose because it's a law of nature or something.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by DrProtic »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #59
DrProtic wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure destroying their civilization will help them a lot.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has called for and acted towards/funded the destruction of the American people, my civilization, my family, for the last 40+ years, held mass protests of hate towards us continually. Boo hoo that rhetoric towards them from my side came close to the very much not rhetoric but moral/religious position they have vocally held, marched in support of, taught their children in school for 40+ yea…

You mean the chants they started saying after overturning the puppet regime US and UK installed through spying and meddling?

After they robbed them of their oil while they only wanted a deal the Saudi Arabia got but UK refused to give to Iran because UK was clinging to their imperialist influence?

The chant born after decades of oppression, spying, sanctions and assassinations?

Read a little history and you’ll understand better. It’s the UK who started the circle of problems and US expanded it.

You don’t need to attend the rally for your government to oppress another country, and you didn’t attend it because you weren’t the victim, Iran is.

And this comes from a person who has huge distain for governments not separate from religion.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

DrProtic wrote: post #63
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has called for and acted towards/funded the destruction of the American people, my civilization, my family, for the last 40+ years, held mass protests of hate towards us continually. Boo hoo that rhetoric towards them from my side came close to the very much not rhetoric but moral/religious position they have vocally held, marched in support of, taught their children in school for 40+ yea…

You mean the chants they started saying after overturning the puppet regime US and UK installed through spying and meddling? After they robbed them of their oil while they only wanted a deal the Saudi Arabia got but UK refused to give to Iran because UK was clinging to their imperialist influence? The chant born after decades of oppression, spying, sanctions and assassinations? Read a little history and you’ll unders…

You bring up destroying civilizations is bad, but it's ok for my son and daughter to die and their world destroyed because 1953? And somehow 10 year old me was wrong and needed to understand the historical reasons behind it and why the top religious leader was right calling for me to die and he was actually the victim?

Nah, fuck that nuanced chillness with the 40+ year desire for my (and now my childrens death). I get it, the world hates us and has been chill on Iran wanting our death since forever (not your problem). But 10 year old me was not in a death cult and really wouldn't have slept better knowing some things happened in the past so it's really not bad that a nation and entire sect of Islam's highest religious leaders want me/my family dead and my country/reality/world destroyed and I need to internalize I am the great satin and not let a religion's calling for my death impact my opinion of that religion.

These are the same islamic religious leaders that fatwah'd Rushdies death for writing a book they didn't like (I'm sure that was just words and he wasn't attacked). These are the islamic religious leaders who call for Israels death along with the USA, and funded the murder/rape/maiming/injuring of thousands of random civilians by their proxy on Oct 7th )who then broadcast the videos to the world they were so proud of what they did to random grandmas/families in their homes). So we all know it's not just words, they mean and want this and they directly fund/supervise proxies who happily/proudly murder random civilians in their homes (is that also ok because 'actually those murderers were the victims'?).

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by cindyllm »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #64
DrProtic wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the chants they started saying after overturning the puppet regime US and UK installed through spying and meddling? After they robbed them of their oil while they only wanted a deal the Saudi Arabia got but UK refused to give to Iran because UK was clinging to their imperialist influence? The chant born after decades of oppression, spying, sanctions and assassinations? Read a little history and you’ll unders…

You bring up destroying civilizations is bad, but it's ok for my son and daughter to die and their world destroyed because 1953? And somehow 10 year old me was wrong and needed to understand the historical reasons behind it and why the top religious leader was right calling for me to die and he was actually the victim? Nah, fuck that nuanced chillness with the 40+ year desire for my (and now my childrens death). I ge…

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Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by za3faran »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #57
za3faran wrote: post #52

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Except that rape is not permitted by their religion's morality laws. This alone is sufficient to be extremely weary of what is reported by pro US/israel sources.

Iran has political discussion of if they need to rape women before they execute them, with the religious man that Iranians attribute that religious directive to having to make MULTIPLE public statements that he was not calling for women to be raped so that government officials would stop using him as justification to rape. The founder of islam had multiple sex slaves taken from lands that he conquered by war. Excuse…

Where is this political discussion exactly? Citation required.

Sex slavery, the one you are thinking of, does not exist in Islam, and is prohibited. No such thing took place. Rape is very clearly prohibited in Islam.

Now I wonder more and more where you are getting your misinformation from.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by za3faran »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #64
DrProtic wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the chants they started saying after overturning the puppet regime US and UK installed through spying and meddling? After they robbed them of their oil while they only wanted a deal the Saudi Arabia got but UK refused to give to Iran because UK was clinging to their imperialist influence? The chant born after decades of oppression, spying, sanctions and assassinations? Read a little history and you’ll unders…

You bring up destroying civilizations is bad, but it's ok for my son and daughter to die and their world destroyed because 1953? And somehow 10 year old me was wrong and needed to understand the historical reasons behind it and why the top religious leader was right calling for me to die and he was actually the victim? Nah, fuck that nuanced chillness with the 40+ year desire for my (and now my childrens death). I ge…

You are repeating the same trope in another thread about Iran. No one wants your family dead. If you saw the latest lego movie that they released (about your tax money going to the corrupts), they clearly say they don't care about the American civilians, their issue is with the government which has been propagating wars for many many decades.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by pazimzadeh »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #47
tastyface wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"A whole civilization will die tonight"

Did it actually happen or was it failed Trump negotiating bluster? My entire life Iran/Shia leaders have called for my and all my nations deaths and the destruction of my entire country/civilization. I remember being terrified as a kid seeing the news, seeing video of a whole nation chanting for me and my families death, for death to American civilization, tied with hostage taking, bombings, kidnapping, parading of m…

could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster?

> though now I understand it was just Shia islam

have you heard of 9/11

you're lazy

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

za3faran wrote: post #67
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You bring up destroying civilizations is bad, but it's ok for my son and daughter to die and their world destroyed because 1953? And somehow 10 year old me was wrong and needed to understand the historical reasons behind it and why the top religious leader was right calling for me to die and he was actually the victim? Nah, fuck that nuanced chillness with the 40+ year desire for my (and now my childrens death). I ge…

You are repeating the same trope in another thread about Iran. No one wants your family dead. If you saw the latest lego movie that they released (about your tax money going to the corrupts), they clearly say they don't care about the American civilians, their issue is with the government which has been propagating wars for many many decades.

When Iranians chants 'death to America, death to Israel' do they also not want actual death to Israel? Would Iran stop chanting if Netanyahoo was replaced or if Israel was better with it's tax dollars?

Iran very much literally wants Israel (Iran's little satan) and Israeli's dead. It makes no sense that someone tat calls for the US (the great satan) would only literally mean what they are saying in the second half and as applied to the lesser evil/little satan.

I don't base my worldview and understanding on propaganda videos. Iran doesn't allow their own citizens onto the internet because Iran understands the internets propaganda value. I do base it on leaders/religious leaders words and teachings. Iran's beleive the USA is the great satan and needs to be destroyed. Like they also preached Rushdie should be murdered because he wrote a book they didn't like. Stop with the gasslighting 'Iran doesn't mean what they say, what they fund'.

Chanting “death to X” is not normal diplomatic speech. Iran has chosen (what some claim but I don't see it) ambiguous speech for 40+ years. They could have changed it to something more direct. They didn't for a reason. I can't even bring myself to type 'death to I__n' in return to highlight how charged that speech is. If I wrote that on an Iran thread, would you consider it just 'political messaging'?

In this thread and the other thread I was responding to similar "I’m sure destroying their civilization will help them a lot." comments referring to speach by trump. I highlighted Iran's words/position on the elimination of my society and it's very real impact on me. I kept on topic to the discussion, didn't just interject some sort of talking points/propaganda, and it is not a trope to reflect back the exact words that Iran proudly chants. But ironically it is a trope to interject 'trope' to try to devalue discussion you don't like.

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Post by za3faran »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #69
za3faran wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are repeating the same trope in another thread about Iran. No one wants your family dead. If you saw the latest lego movie that they released (about your tax money going to the corrupts), they clearly say they don't care about the American civilians, their issue is with the government which has been propagating wars for many many decades.

When Iranians chants 'death to America, death to Israel' do they also not want actual death to Israel? Would Iran stop chanting if Netanyahoo was replaced or if Israel was better with it's tax dollars? Iran very much literally wants Israel (Iran's little satan) and Israeli's dead. It makes no sense that someone tat calls for the US (the great satan) would only literally mean what they are saying in the second half an…

Chants against the government, as they themselves have made clear, not against the individuals. Chants vs. actual blood of millions of civilians and innocent women and children on the hands of the US and israel.

Trump said the quiet part out loud - what the US and israel have been doing for decades. There's no backing away from this. Yet some people are concerned about vague chants, unbelievable.

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