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Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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Re: Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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From what I've read the Intel drivers are terrible and holding back using them for LLMs.

I don't know about LLMs, but I tried an Intel card when Ubuntu Wayland couldn't initialize a 2 year old Nvidia. It just works.

Interesting. I had read that Intel's Linux drivers were far behind their Windows versions. I haven't checked in a few months though.

Re: Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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Why are they still using their old Xe2/Battlemage architecture rather than their new Xe3/Celestial? They already used it in their Panther Lake chipset.

That's coming out in https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-crescent-island by around the end of the year.

Another comment here claims Celestial is cancelled. Has Intel indicated their intentions for the consumer dGPU space?

Re: Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that it's reserving power, but rather that you hit some bottleneck on a 3070 Ti before running into thermal limits-- it's likely limited by either tensor core saturation or RAM throughput. Running the workload with Nvidia's profiling tools should make the bottleneck obvious.

Generally the bottleneck is RAM throughput. Inference, in particular token generation, especially on a single user instance, is not all that computationally complex; you're doing some fairly simple calculations for each parameter, the time is dominated by just transferring each parameter from RAM to the cores. A 31B dense model like Gemma 4 has to transfer 31B parameters (at 16 bits per parameter for the full model,…

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Re: Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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For those that use Blender, in their section about Blender: > We hope that, in the future, there will be real options other than NVIDIA for GPU-based rendering, as it is an area where competition is nearly non-existent. And Checking opendata.blender.org, a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Laptop GPU scores 5301.8, while Intel Arc Pro B70 is still at 3824.64. So there is still a bit more to go before Intel GPUs perform close t…

This is because Blender is in fact using CUDA?

Re: Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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Hi Intel, I'm itching to buy an Xe3P! Or, Nova Lake? Crescent Island? Celestial? Jaguar Shores?

Whatever the hell you name it doesn't matter to me, I just want a workstation with one of them bad boys attached to 160GB of RAM for legit inference power!

I've been saving my money not paying for Claude Code so I can run my own agentic coding setup at home on yours. Please don't charge too much for the workstation class card if you can at all manage it. Maybe give us a discount to preorder? Please don't price a regular consumer like me out of the market!

Also, I am speculating integer based models will become hot due to lower memory and power requirements. Will the Xe3P be able to do integer-based math inference to use all that RAM to even greater effect?

Re: Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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For those that use Blender, in their section about Blender: > We hope that, in the future, there will be real options other than NVIDIA for GPU-based rendering, as it is an area where competition is nearly non-existent. And Checking opendata.blender.org, a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Laptop GPU scores 5301.8, while Intel Arc Pro B70 is still at 3824.64. So there is still a bit more to go before Intel GPUs perform close t…

This is because Blender is in fact using CUDA?

The key feature on intel platforms is the hardware de-noise acceleration (NVIDIA OptiX also works well.) Note, AMD OpenCL works quite well for some renderings, but blender flamenco likes consistent cluster hardware.

For 8k HDR10 media or 3+ screens the rtx 5090 32G model is going to be the minimum card people should buy. Just because you see 4 DP ports, doesn't mean the card can push bit-rates needed to fill an HDR10 display >60Hz.

The Mac Studio Pro unified >512GB ram/vram is a better LLM lab solution (Apple recently NERF'd it to 256GB.) Who cares if a task completes a bit slower, it doesn't matter given the lower error rates... and not costing $14k like an rtx 6000. =3

Great tutorial on getting blender to behave on mid-grade PC and laptops etc. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0GW8Na5CIE

Re: Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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I was looking into this for LLMs but it's clearly a graphics-processing focused card. The memory bandwidth is too low for that much RAM to be useful in an LLM context. The 5090 I have has the same amount of RAM but far more bandwidth and that makes it much more useful.

It’s 32gb for people who can’t go for scalped 5090s but have a 3090 budget. I have a pair of them with a 9480 and the only thing I have to do is keep the cache happy.

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Re: Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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I was looking into this for LLMs but it's clearly a graphics-processing focused card. The memory bandwidth is too low for that much RAM to be useful in an LLM context. The 5090 I have has the same amount of RAM but far more bandwidth and that makes it much more useful.

Compared to a B70, a 5090 is 1x the memory with 3x the bandwidth at 4x the price. Yeah, the 5090 is better, but you're paying for it.

On actual market it’s $1100 vs $3200 now, right? I actually got mine at $2200 at cost in the before days.

Re: Intel Arc Pro B70 Review

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compared to a B70, a 5090 is 1x the memory with 3x the bandwidth at 4x the price. Yeah, the 5090 is better, but you're paying for it.

On actual market it’s $1100 vs $3200 now, right? I actually got mine at $2200 at cost in the before days.

Current lowest price for a new card on Newegg: $949.99 vs $3,699.99.
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