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Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

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Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

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Post by blipvert »

miki123211 wrote: post #45
LoganDark wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Misdirection is normal business practice. For example, Quadpay/Zipco recently made a change where instead of appraising your credit independently for each of their plans, they calculate a total amount you're allowed to have in flight at any given time, and share that across everything. In their FAQ, there is an entry for "Is my purchasing power going down?" and the answer is some bullshit like "Your purchasing power…

Related: I wish there was a TV show where they would ask simple yes/no questions to politicians and business leaders, but their mic would only be unmuted after they press a "yes" or "no" button. Answering a yes/no question with a "we're doing everything we can to ensure a smooth experience for our customers" is spindoctoring 101.

“Have you stopped beating your wife?”

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

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Post by baud147258 »

eaf7e281 wrote: post #60
negura wrote: post #40

too bad. i wish they would go closedsource so that maybe everyone would stop using it. it's dogshit for countless reasons. including: - refuses to even load on browser engines older than 2 years. for a webforum that's absolutely appaling. there's a barebones non-JS version. but it only loads for individual threads (not the forum homepage or anything else), so they must be linked to directly (e.g from a websearch engi…

I'm not sure where this heat comes from, but what constitutes a "good" forum in your opinion? I would love to check it out.

while I've just been on forums that have been using xenoforo, I found it a better experience than those running Discourse

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#63

Post by actionfromafar »

blipvert wrote: post #61
miki123211 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related: I wish there was a TV show where they would ask simple yes/no questions to politicians and business leaders, but their mic would only be unmuted after they press a "yes" or "no" button. Answering a yes/no question with a "we're doing everything we can to ensure a smooth experience for our customers" is spindoctoring 101.

“Have you stopped beating your wife?”

Could you ask misleading questions? Answer yes or no.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

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Post by roenxi »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #31
necovek wrote: post #12

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This should be a mentality of every company building products :)

Indeed. All software products you can get your hands on are open source - compiled code is only little more difficult to read than source code, but not that much if you learn how. Which is why ~all companies switches to offering software as a service, so this mindset doesn't apply :).

> but not that much if you learn how.

Yesterday I threw some ghidra output into an LLM with very little context and got what seemed to be a reasonable run down of the original back. We're probably knocking on the door of being able to throw a binary into an LLM and getting the original program back unless there is active obfuscation done.

It is a very exciting time for anyone who likes playing old, abandoned and buggy games :').

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#65

Post by [deleted] »

miki123211 wrote: post #45
LoganDark wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Misdirection is normal business practice. For example, Quadpay/Zipco recently made a change where instead of appraising your credit independently for each of their plans, they calculate a total amount you're allowed to have in flight at any given time, and share that across everything. In their FAQ, there is an entry for "Is my purchasing power going down?" and the answer is some bullshit like "Your purchasing power…

Related: I wish there was a TV show where they would ask simple yes/no questions to politicians and business leaders, but their mic would only be unmuted after they press a "yes" or "no" button. Answering a yes/no question with a "we're doing everything we can to ensure a smooth experience for our customers" is spindoctoring 101.

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Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#66

Post by redsocksfan45 »

LoganDark wrote: post #11
Gigachad wrote: post #9

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The above statement is claiming it likely is intended as something bad though. A convenient coverup.

Covering something up is not bad faith. PR firms do it all the time (though plenty more do things in bad faith too). If what you're covering up is an explicitly user-hostile decision then maybe that's bad faith if what you're trying to do is trick people. But if you're just lying for brownie points then that's not always bad faith, just dumb.

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Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

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Post by LorenDB »

baud147258 wrote: post #62
eaf7e281 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure where this heat comes from, but what constitutes a "good" forum in your opinion? I would love to check it out.

while I've just been on forums that have been using xenoforo, I found it a better experience than those running Discourse

+1 for xenForo. IMO it has a much nicer UX than Discourse, if only because it uses a more traditional approach.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#68

Post by LorenDB »

negura wrote: post #40

too bad. i wish they would go closedsource so that maybe everyone would stop using it. it's dogshit for countless reasons. including: - refuses to even load on browser engines older than 2 years. for a webforum that's absolutely appaling. there's a barebones non-JS version. but it only loads for individual threads (not the forum homepage or anything else), so they must be linked to directly (e.g from a websearch engi…

You forgot one of the worst parts: the Discobot that tries to make you run through a tutorial every. single. time. you sign up for a Discourse forum.

Re: Discourse Is Not Going Closed Source

#69

Post by LorenDB »

bruce511 wrote: post #17
kelsey98765431 wrote: post #13

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The web has grown so hostile lately that javascript is honestly not safe or useful anymore. the only thing it's used for is serving ads and trackers and paywalls, if i can't read a website with no script enabled it's not meant for me and im just not reading it.

I concur that most web sites could use less JavaScript. And a lot of (but not all) cosmetic uses for JavaScript can be done in CSS. Of course for web apps (as distinct from web sites) most of what we do would be impossible without JavaScript. Infinite scrolling, maps (moving and zooming), field validation on entry, asynchronous page updates, web sockets, all require JavaScript. Of course JavaScript is abused. But it'…

> web apps

See, that's where we went wrong. IMO the web is for web sites. Co-opting the browser for full applications has led to the significant degradement of modern software. If we must have a "write once, run anywhere" approach for modern development, can we at least use WASM bytecode and build a dedicated runtime that doesn't use the browser for GUI output?

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