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Re: Keep Android Open

#61

Post by einpoklum »

fsflover wrote: post #53
srslyTrying2hlp wrote: post #4

We need a financial way to reward the resistance. Big corps do not care, as we saw them cave to Apple. Anyway, I did my part, basically I only use FDroid. I filled this out: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfN3UQeNspQsZCO2ITk... >Combat astroturfing: when you encounter suspect posts on community forums and social media in support of the policy (“Well, actually…”), challenge them and do not be shy. Someone co…

> We need a financial way to reward the resistance Here you go: https://eff.org , https://edri.org , https://noyb.eu

Those links would be more effective if you were to spend a couple of lines explaining what these organizations are and what they do...

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by einpoklum »

preisschild wrote: post #30
bparsons wrote: post #5

It feels like there is a wide open opportunity for some new OS's to enter the mainstream marketplace. I see nothing but dissatisfaction with the incumbents.

There are android distributions like Graphene OS and LineageOS that are completely open. The problem is application developers that specifically restrict their apps to only run on google/apple certified hard-/software

But Graphene and Lineage don't support on most phones. If phone makers were to be more forthcoming and cooperative, they could get one or both of those, or some mobile-phone-oriented Linux distro, to work and then Bob's our uncle.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by fsflover »

einpoklum wrote: post #61
fsflover wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need a financial way to reward the resistance Here you go: https://eff.org , https://edri.org , https://noyb.eu

Those links would be more effective if you were to spend a couple of lines explaining what these organizations are and what they do...

These are NGOs fighting for our digital rights like privacy, security and device ownership. Wikipedia can explain much better than me.

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=eff.org

https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=edri.org

https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=noyb.eu

Re: Keep Android Open

#64

Post by yaro330 »

safety1st wrote: post #16
bjornroberg wrote: post #6

The detail that keeps getting lost in these threads: the "advanced flow" for power users is delivered through Google Play Services, not the Android OS. That's the whole game. It means the safeguard is not part of AOSP. It ships as a closed component that Google can narrow, gate, or remove in any Play Services update, with no Android version bump, no OEM coordination, no user consent beyond the usual auto-update. "Ope…

What follows is the "advanced flow." I feel like there should be a class action lawsuit in response to this as when I purchased my device I had an expectation that I could install apps without this insane limitation Enable Developer Mode ↗ by tapping the software build number in About Phone seven times In Settings > System, open Developer Options and scroll down to “Allow Unverified Packages.” Flip the toggle and ans…

How is this unreasonable? This is to prevent cases where people are told to urgently install the app while on a call, so the call has to be broken and person has a day to actually do something about the call.

Are you that zoomer brained to not be able to wait a day to install your APK?

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by yaro330 »

The advanced flow is perfectly reasonable and I'm 100% sure there will be Magisk based bypasses for it if you absolutely require Google services + APK installs. The percentage of people installing legit 3rd party APKs is miniscule compared to the number of elderly scammed by these shitty apps. Glad Google is taking steps to close this security hole. Just wait the damn 24h you impatient "poweruser". 100% sure that there won't be a full lockdown or an extension of the timeout cuz this is gonna close most, if not all of the holes for these shitty apps.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by salt4034 »

bjornroberg wrote: post #6

The detail that keeps getting lost in these threads: the "advanced flow" for power users is delivered through Google Play Services, not the Android OS. That's the whole game. It means the safeguard is not part of AOSP. It ships as a closed component that Google can narrow, gate, or remove in any Play Services update, with no Android version bump, no OEM coordination, no user consent beyond the usual auto-update. "Ope…

If you're directly using AOSP, can't you just change the code to remove the check?

Re: Keep Android Open

#68

Post by srslyTrying2hlp »

freedomben wrote: post #34
srslyTrying2hlp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

F-Droid is amazing. I basically wont install anything from the playstore unless its my bank or something. Video games on F-Droid are how Android games should be. They have the spirt: No ads, no micro transactions, etc.. Kids educational games are the same. I have been using those games only for years and I've had 0 issues. Playstore games, you get an update and now your progress is frozen unless you pay. Guitar tuner…

Fully agree. Can you recommend some games, and kids educational games? I've tried a few and like them, but would love some recs. The ones I like: Breakout 71, Chess, Word Maker, Word Tracer, Roboyard, FaFa Runner (short but briefly fun), Minesweeper (Privacy Friendly), Simon Tatham's Puzzles, SuperTuxKart, Tux Rider.

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Re: Keep Android Open

#69

Post by bigfishrunning »

fsflover wrote: post #66
bigfishrunning wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I do but I don't want to help my parents install it

You should, as it is much safer than the one from Google.

Yeah, but it doesn't include the apps that lay-people want to use, such as Facebook, Venmo, and Google Maps. I like open source software as much as the next guy, but most of it seems very off-brand to your average joe. Setting people up with Firefox is one thing, trying to get them to use AntennaPod instead of Spotify is a much taller order.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by takluyver »

lapcat wrote: post #44
takluyver wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And to underscore the scale of that challenge, Microsoft couldn't make Windows Phone a significant competitor to Android & iOS.

I suspect the app ecosystem was a problem with Windows Phone. iOS and Android already had a head start of a few years, with Windows Phone not appearing until late 2010, and "Windows" was a bit of a misnomer, because desktop Windows apps couldn't run on the phone, so the preexisting software ecosystem didn't help.

Certainly the app ecosystem was part of the challenge, and Microsoft spent a fair bit of effort trying to both encourage developers to make apps, and filling obvious gaps (like Youtube) itself. If their resources, retail connections and brand recognition weren't enough, it's hard to imagine that anyone else stands much chance until conditions change drastically.
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