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Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by EvanAnderson »

hypercube33 wrote: post #55
EvanAnderson wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reading your comment as sarcasm, but I do have a non-sarcastic hot take on it. If we have to live in a panopticon I think access to the data should be available to everyone. That eliminates the power imbalance and/or makes the idea of the thing distasteful to powerful people who might actually try to restore privacy and eliminate the panopticon.

Power is then moved to whomever owns the most computer power and perhaps education

That's what it is now. Computing power is just a proxy for capital.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by bombcar »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #28
trollbridge wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft likes to do the "opt out for the next 30 days", including uploading all my spreadsheets to Copilot to be training data.

"Can we do X, Y, Z?" Yes? Or maybe later? It's so annoying. No means no, not "pester me later"!

Consent used to be "Yes" or "No" now it's "Yes" or "I'll give in later"

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by nemomarx »

bee_rider wrote: post #58
trollbridge wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Sheets is slower/has enough usability issues it's not an option and OpenOffice is missing a few features too, not to mention neither really can do VBA at all, nor do they have PowerQuery. So Excel it is.

Is this stuff… like, good? I don’t know anything about the MS ecosystem. If you could start from scratch, would using something more like Python, pandas, that sort of stuff, be viable?

You're not going to get non technical coworkers like the finance department entering their data or reports in pandas. So it depends on how much labor you want to put in helping them do it, I guess?

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by kelseyfrog »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #53
kelseyfrog wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate privacy, even down to the idea itself. I will buy out politicians, and push relentlessly until every trace of privacy is eliminated from the world. I love being watched. The idea of a panopticon makes me feel amazing and I want to force it on everyone until the end of time.

I'm reading your comment as sarcasm, but I do have a non-sarcastic hot take on it. If we have to live in a panopticon I think access to the data should be available to everyone. That eliminates the power imbalance and/or makes the idea of the thing distasteful to powerful people who might actually try to restore privacy and eliminate the panopticon.

If those wish to preserve privacy want to be effective, there needs to be a pragmatism in understanding differing opinions. Reducing opponents to caricatures and fighting those is a losers strategy. It will guarantee defeat.

Being able to accurately articulate a position one doesn't possess themselves is necessary to effectively countering it.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by kelseyfrog »

potsandpans wrote: post #56
EvanAnderson wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reading your comment as sarcasm, but I do have a non-sarcastic hot take on it. If we have to live in a panopticon I think access to the data should be available to everyone. That eliminates the power imbalance and/or makes the idea of the thing distasteful to powerful people who might actually try to restore privacy and eliminate the panopticon.

> If we have to live in a panopticon... So that's where we are now? "If we have to live in the torture nexus, let's at least make it equitable"

The fact that you couldn't identify it as sarcasm/satire is indictive of not having an accurate understanding of your opponents position. If you want to defeat your opponents, understand their calculus.

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Post by bombcar »

lioeters wrote: post #35
declan_roberts wrote: post #31

What's with the bipartisan push for these bills all of a sudden?

It's an international coordinated effort to undermine every single citizen's privacy, an agenda being pushed for years, again and again in every country and state, by a coalition including Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc., corporations that profit greatly from mandatory identity verification online. It's only a matter of time until they buy out enough politicians to push it through and force future generations to li…

They likely don't even really care about the panopticon - they see a way to build a moat that even billion-dollar startups won't be able to easily cross.

Regulatory capture is real.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by gitpusher »

noir_lord wrote: post #23
al_borland wrote: post #9

> The right to opt out of its sale, and Why the right to opt-out, instead of requiring sale of data to be opt-in? I’m not sure how this stuff happens on the backend, but if I sign up for something and there is an opt-out page buried somewhere, I assume they’ve already sold my data by the time I can get to the opt-out page. I still make a best effort, but once it’s sold, it’s really too late. There needs to be an opti…

This annoys me with Apple devices, iCloud and all it's related backups of..well everything are on by default and it doesn't ask at any point in the setup of the device. You have to then go into settings -> icloud and disable the main one and then like 30 individual ones. There should be a big toggle at the top that says "Disable All Cloud Backups" they can feel free to throw in a warning.

I don't disagree. But defaults are important, and you are in a tiny minority with wanting to disable iCloud. 90% of people using Apple phones want or expect things to be magically backed up for them

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by EvanAnderson »

bee_rider wrote: post #59
potsandpans wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we have to live in a panopticon... So that's where we are now? "If we have to live in the torture nexus, let's at least make it equitable"

I can see why people fall into the trap of calling for an equitable torment nexus: it is both cynical (it supposes everyone in power is corrupt and everyone at the top would oppose an equitable torment nexus) and also naive/optimistic (it supposes that we have any hope to actually impose an equitable torment nexus). But I think the latter factor wins out, so we should just oppose obviously bad things in a non-clever…

I don't see it as cynical. I'm just accepting the obvious reality.

I have no power to stop what's happening. I might as well make the best of it for myself and my family, and hope it becomes so bad that people who actually do have the power to stop it do something about it. Maybe it'll rise to the level that enough individual citizens will call out for change, but I continue to be amazed at what people will put up with in the name of convenience, continuation of their lifestyle, and, as it relates specifically to surveillance capitalism, shiny digital doodads and baubles that bring them temporary joy.

Capital being speech in the US, since I'm not a billionaire I have very little influence.

I have optimism and hope for people doing good things locally, but absolutely no hope large-scale problems will ever be fixed. I feel like the US political system experienced some phase change in the last 50 years, has "solidified", and is now completely unable to do anything meaningful at scale. The New Deal couldn't happen today. The interstate highway system couldn't happen today. The Affordable Care Act started off as a watered-down, weakened version of what it could have been (because anything more radical would never have passed), and the private interests have had 20 years to chip away at it, sculpting it into a driver of revenue. Heck, we can't even build mass public transit at the level of cities.

Private capital, meanwhile, soldiers on accomplishing its goals in spite of (or because of) our political gridlock.

I'd love to feel differently.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by DeathArrow »

groby_b wrote: post #2

HTTP 451 "We recognise you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore cannot grant you access at this time. For any issues, e-mail us at info@franklinnews.org or call us at (847) 497-5230." This is extremely funny given it's an article about privacy concerns :)

I wonder why do they censor the content? It's not like the EU can enforce GDPR in US.

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Post by DeathArrow »

embedding-shape wrote: post #3
groby_b wrote: post #2

HTTP 451 "We recognise you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore cannot grant you access at this time. For any issues, e-mail us at info@franklinnews.org or call us at (847) 497-5230." This is extremely funny given it's an article about privacy concerns :)

I love seeing this, and love seeing regulations working exactly as wanted! What I see is basically "We're unable to serve this website without compromising your privacy, so instead of pretending or giving you a choice, we give you this message so you can turn around".

Or "we don't care about respecting stupid laws in your country. If you don't like being blocked, take the issue to your politicians."
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