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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by 0x1ceb00da »

traceroute66 wrote: post #17
gambutin wrote: post #6

Noteworthy: It’s not that no one in Iran has no access. Actually some have internet access via “white SIM cards” (1). Reportedly 50,000 or so. Essentially, they’ve created a two-tier system controlling who can access the internet. (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_SIM_Card

> Noteworthy: It’s not that no one in Iran has no access. Actually some have internet access via “white SIM cards” Erm, dude, you did look at the graph on the Mastodon post linked to, right ? You see that bit where it falls off a cliff to 0% netblocks ? "white SIM card" or not, you're not getting internet if there's no BGP routes being announced. The only way around 0 BGP announcements would be satellite... I suspect…

We're receiving war footage from iran. They aren't completely disconnected.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by wetpaws »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #47
pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

The big question is what comes after. I don't think many disagreed with Saddam or Gaddafi but history shows that this doesn't necessarily lead to good outcomes.

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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by roenxi »

pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

> Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic.

That seems a little bit suspect, how many Iranians do you know? I have difficulty believing that less than around 20-30% of them support the regime. There seems to be a baseline of around that fraction of people who support the status quo.

It isn't so hard to find people who support full-on communism. Any reasonable sample should be turning up a lot of really weird opinions.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by oa335 »

pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

That’s interesting; how many of them are currently in Iran or have close family in Iran?

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by throwawayheui57 »

pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

Iranian here! I want to see the regime answer for its crimes. They act like an occupying force, taking the country hostage.

With that being said I don’t like/want the war. I understand and sympathize with the emotional response from my compatriots because they see the oppressors are getting the bloody beating they well deserve. But I don’t really think that the current war brings anything good for the people. I wish it did but it doesn’t look like it. I wish the regime would fall but they haven’t and we now have ~2000 more innocents dead on top of thousands that government killed in January.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by jncfhnb »

traceroute66 wrote: post #35
jncfhnb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess. But the framing here is not “clever, innovative IRGC” so much as oppressive regime fucking over it’s people to retain control.

> But the framing here is not “clever, innovative IRGC” I am not seeking to frame anything here. Nor am I interested in getting involved in the broader areas on discussion on the subject. The first few words of my original post made it clear "Looking at it from an alternative angle". An alternative way of wording that would be "devil's advocate". I am just supplying a perfectly reasonable alternative perspective, I a…

I don’t see any alternative angle though. Nobody thinks the IRGC is doing this for fun.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by traceroute66 »

0x1ceb00da wrote: post #61
traceroute66 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Noteworthy: It’s not that no one in Iran has no access. Actually some have internet access via “white SIM cards” Erm, dude, you did look at the graph on the Mastodon post linked to, right ? You see that bit where it falls off a cliff to 0% netblocks ? "white SIM card" or not, you're not getting internet if there's no BGP routes being announced. The only way around 0 BGP announcements would be satellite... I suspect…

We're receiving war footage from iran. They aren't completely disconnected.

> We're receiving war footage from iran. They aren't completely disconnected.

As I said, satellite is a thing.

I also don't doubt there may be some traditional land-based BGP access going on too, maybe using "borrowed" prefixes. But I do not think it is as much as people think it might be.

I also doubt there are 50,000 "white SIM" active today... I suspect that Wikipedia "unofficial figure" reflects pre-war. Most have very likely been disconnected or blocked.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by breppp »

hgoel wrote: post #59
pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

Are these Iranian friends and their children the ones at risk the next time the US or Israel "accidentally" double taps civilian infrastructure? The regime will kill you/your loved ones and brand them as criminals if you protest against them or break an unreasonable law, the US and Israel will kill you and brand you as terrorists because you happened to be Iranian and in the wrong place.

If you look at the chances, there's a far greater chance of dying in the hands of SUV mounted machine guns firing at crowds than precision bombs that mostly hit regime forces

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by jncfhnb »

maest wrote: post #45
jncfhnb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

> I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with me. I am having a very hard time believing anyone would be favourable to the country currently lobbing bombs at them from halfway around the globe. Regardless of how much they dislike their current regime. Maybe this fuels some "everyone loves America, the good guys" fantasy, but, as someone who's come from a country where the…

My anecdata is from just two families whom I am hearing from indirectly and have never met in person. The takeaways are:

1) they HATE their government more than anything in the world. They’ve seen the government killing its own people.

2) the consensus of civilians is that strikes by and large are hitting IRGC targets. They do not feel civilian targets are being targeted even though the nature of it has resulted in civilian deaths.

3) they don’t feel inclined to give trump the slightest amount of trust or good will. They just want regime change by any means.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by bilbo0s »

rjbwork wrote: post #54
pcf wrote: post #41

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).

It's very easy to offer the lives of others for your goals.

In fairness, the claim is that all the Iranians are offering their own lives for the poster's goals.

Of course, that only brings us to, "It's easy to claim others are offering their lives for your goals."

I guess it's probably best to just realize everything you see on the subject of any given war is probably propaganda. And judge the value of it through that lens.

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