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Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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Physical books burn - just ask the Library of Alexandria. Ebooks have so many more ways to be preserved and replicated.

The be fair the parent said "almost." I see this more as a backup of the physical book. Other than search, the experience of physical books is superior, I think, for most people for most uses. You can come up with counterexamples like certain aspects of studying textbooks, etc., but I think this is true in general.

First, let me step on my own foot for the sake of accuracy: people retain information slightly better when they read paper than screens, so textbooks definitely aren't an example I'd go with. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8715975/

That said, I can come up with far more than a few counterexamples for why ebooks are good, besides combustability:

- Paper books are dense. This adds difficulty to moving and maintaining large collections.

- Paper books take up space. Bookstores and libraries must necessarily remove books to make space for new ones. With ebooks, there's basically no need to remove old ones.

- Paper books are dense and take up space, so when travelling, the reader must carefully select one or two to carry. With ebooks, I can carry my entire ebook library in my pocket.

- Paper books require more effort to duplicate. My e-library is replicated across many devices, including two different offsites. If I spill sauce on a paper book, I need to buy another copy (assuming it's still available).

- Paper books have accessibility issues. As I get older and my vision deteriorates, I will need specialized optical hardware to read small print. On my e-reader, I can just turn up the font size.

In spite of all this, I would never say that ebooks are objectively superior; both are good. I just take issue with all of the people who assume that physical books are so obviously inherently superior, without ever saying why. (See your own post for example.)

Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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Physical books burn - just ask the Library of Alexandria. Ebooks have so many more ways to be preserved and replicated.

ebooks already dont have a great track record when it comes to preservation. ( https://old.reddit.com/r/kindle/comments/18csl9d/all_books_g... ) At least Amazon can't break into my house to steal the copy of 1984 I paid for, when somehow they're allowed to remote into my device and delete my purchases whenever they feel like it. Bitrot is real too. Paper books can last a pretty long time ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…

Everything you said after "with paper" applies to ebooks, provided you get them without DRM. Your objections are to DRM, not to ebooks in general.

Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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Watching TV/Movies through any device is a bother, I have to sift through all the advertisements/brand placements for that device to find anything, and most of the time it's the same 20 movies repeated over and over in every section. Reading on a E-device is a bother, I have to sift through all the "sponsored" books and whatever other crap the ebook reader company decides to add, and be at the whims of whatever they…

> Pretty much everything tech related anymore is a bother.

They have been optimizing for enshittification and they became really good at it. I have no idea how to get rid of these business practices. Users just leaving those abusive platforms clearly doesn't work.

Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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I moved to paper after years of reading digitally. I find it easier to stay engaged because a book has only one purpose while my iPad Mini also has Instapaper and the internet. It’s also much easier to pick up and keep reading, and the book itself is a progress indicator.

I also love sharing paper books with friends. It’s a little experience that ebooks don’t give you.

Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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It’s the complete disregard of typesetting in ebooks that has always repelled me. I fundamentally reject the notion that all books can be reduced to text files. Design matters!

I only read works consisting purely of prose on ebooks, mostly fiction. They are rubbish for text books for at least a couple of reasons:

1. The typesetting, as you point out. Books are carefully typeset for the size of the pages they are printed on. Screens are going to be completely the wrong size/shape for most things,

2. Seek speed. Seeking to a point in an ebook is excruciating. A real book is by far the best format for quickly seeking to a place or seeking backwards and forwards between multiple pages. I can also open two books at once and seek between them using only my eyes.

Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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Physical books are irreplaceable to me. I love the feel, the smell, and having a house full of them. Just went to a library sale this morning and got even more. I also really need a break from screens, and reading a book is a great excuse to not be on my phone or watching tv.

It's just better on the eyes. I've tried the Kindle too. Nothing is comparable to printed ink on paper.

Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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> Reading on a E-device is a bother, I have to sift through all the "sponsored" books and whatever other crap the ebook reader company decides to add Sounds like you just chose the wrong device. My Boox does none of this. I just put the epub file in the device and read it.

For me, reading is an escape; from both reality as well as technology. I stare at a screen all fucking day; the last thing I want to do is stare at one during my downtime. So; I cordon off time every day to read and not touch my devices. Even though I subscribe to streaming music, I prefer to read while listening to vinyl. I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with anyone choosing to read ebooks or do audiobooks; they're just…

That’s not what the person I was replying to was complaining about. I don’t know why you put this unrelated (and perfectly valid btw) opinion as a response to me.

Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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Physical books are irreplaceable to me. I love the feel, the smell, and having a house full of them. Just went to a library sale this morning and got even more. I also really need a break from screens, and reading a book is a great excuse to not be on my phone or watching tv.

It's just better on the eyes. I've tried the Kindle too. Nothing is comparable to printed ink on paper.

Speak for yourself. Black text on white paper is unreadable. Too much glare. There is no dark mode for printed books with only a few rare exceptions.

Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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Watching TV/Movies through any device is a bother, I have to sift through all the advertisements/brand placements for that device to find anything, and most of the time it's the same 20 movies repeated over and over in every section. Reading on a E-device is a bother, I have to sift through all the "sponsored" books and whatever other crap the ebook reader company decides to add, and be at the whims of whatever they…

That's why I got an e-reader. So I'm not reading books on a phone that's distracting me all the time. I don't know what e-reader you got, but on mine I just press the power button and it brings me right into the book I was reading, no ads or distractions.

Re: Americans still opt for print books over digital or audio versions

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For me, reading is an escape; from both reality as well as technology. I stare at a screen all fucking day; the last thing I want to do is stare at one during my downtime. So; I cordon off time every day to read and not touch my devices. Even though I subscribe to streaming music, I prefer to read while listening to vinyl. I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with anyone choosing to read ebooks or do audiobooks; they're just…

That’s not what the person I was replying to was complaining about. I don’t know why you put this unrelated (and perfectly valid btw) opinion as a response to me.

I dunno either. Probably because I was sleepy and clicked the wrong reply link. Carry on kind person. :-)
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