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Apple Silicon and Virtual Machines: Beating the 2 VM Limit (2023)

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Re: Apple Silicon and Virtual Machines: Beating the 2 VM Limit (2023)

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Post by tomhow »

ab_testing wrote: post #21

Very funny to see HN hate on Microsoft and Google but then love a company where they cannot even run an app on their mobile platform without Apple's permission or only a certain number of VMs on the hardware they own .

Please avoid these kinds of sneers that characterize the whole community as being united in “hate” or “love” for any particular company or technology.

HN is a diverse global community and its views about most topics form a normal distribution, and most people here are able to form nuanced opinions that consider the positives and negatives in all these topics. This kind of “very funny” swipe relies on a caricature that's easy to portray if you focus on the loudest voices on one side of any discussion but falls away if you make the effort to read the discussions in depth.

Re: Apple Silicon and Virtual Machines: Beating the 2 VM Limit (2023)

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Post by senderista »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #42
ab_testing wrote: post #21

Very funny to see HN hate on Microsoft and Google but then love a company where they cannot even run an app on their mobile platform without Apple's permission or only a certain number of VMs on the hardware they own .

HN is not one person. I'm very happy to hate on all of them. I see what you mean though. I've given up on getting normal people to care, but seeing programmers who are absolutely smart enough to run their own Linux system on computers they actually own actively choose not to do so is very disconcerting.

I use a Macbook for work and do all my development via ssh on remote Linux instances. Each OS is doing what it does best. I last tried a Linux laptop for development in 2020 and my conclusion was the same as in 2010: never again for at least a decade. I have better things to do than fix broken drivers and curse at shitty trackpads.

Re: Apple Silicon and Virtual Machines: Beating the 2 VM Limit (2023)

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Post by fortran77 »

kylec wrote: post #2

This is a very silly restriction, at least to apply uniformly to all Macs. I think if you buy a more powerful Mac they should let you virtualize more Mac instances. Like an M5 maybe limit to 2, but maybe let an M5 Pro do 4 and an M5 Max do 8 or something.

I buy a $100 Windows 11 Pro licence, and my limit is 1024 VMs

Hyper‑V on Windows 11 supports up to 1024 simultaneous VMs per host if the hardware can handle it. On my little Windows ARM laptop I can easily run 4 VMs before it runs out of steam.

Re: Apple Silicon and Virtual Machines: Beating the 2 VM Limit (2023)

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Post by [deleted] »

senderista wrote: post #62
matheusmoreira wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is not one person. I'm very happy to hate on all of them. I see what you mean though. I've given up on getting normal people to care, but seeing programmers who are absolutely smart enough to run their own Linux system on computers they actually own actively choose not to do so is very disconcerting.

I use a Macbook for work and do all my development via ssh on remote Linux instances. Each OS is doing what it does best. I last tried a Linux laptop for development in 2020 and my conclusion was the same as in 2010: never again for at least a decade. I have better things to do than fix broken drivers and curse at shitty trackpads.

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Re: Apple Silicon and Virtual Machines: Beating the 2 VM Limit (2023)

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Post by fortran77 »

gambiting wrote: post #33
jaredklewis wrote: post #25

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At least 9 out of every 10 software engineers I know does all their development on a mac. Because this sample is from my experience, it’s skewed to startups and tech companies. For sure, lots of devs outside those areas, but tech companies are a big chunk of the world’s developers. So yea I would say Apple is a “serious development platform” just given how much it dominates software development in the tech sector in…

>>At least 9 out of every 10 software engineers I know does all their development on a mac I work in video games, you know, industry larger than films - 10 out of 10 devs I know are on Windows. I have a work issued Mac just to do some iOS dev and I honestly don't understand how anyone can use it day to day as their main dev machine, it's just so restrictive in what the OS allows you to do.

I work as a consultant for the position, navigation, and timing industry and 10 of 10 devs were on Windows. Before that I worked for a big hollywood company and while scriptwriters and VP executive assistants had Macs, everyone technical was on Windows. Movies were all edited and color graded on Windows.

Re: Apple Silicon and Virtual Machines: Beating the 2 VM Limit (2023)

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Post by namelosw »

kylec wrote: post #2

This is a very silly restriction, at least to apply uniformly to all Macs. I think if you buy a more powerful Mac they should let you virtualize more Mac instances. Like an M5 maybe limit to 2, but maybe let an M5 Pro do 4 and an M5 Max do 8 or something.

It really is silly. The other day I decided to try this openclaw thing out but concerned about the security stuff, so I took VM for a spin only to find out the iCloud and the App Store were restricted.

Re: Apple Silicon and Virtual Machines: Beating the 2 VM Limit (2023)

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Post by AussieWog93 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #55
AussieWog93 wrote: post #52

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>seeing programmers who are absolutely smart enough to run their own Linux system on computers they actually own actively choose not to do so is very disconcerting. I run macOS because Apple understands that QA testing is something of actual importance, and designing yet another package manager is not. I do spin up Linux every now and again to see if it's good yet, and always walk away. Why do documents print at ~50d…

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>TL;DR you sacrificed your freedom for convenience

Yes I did, just like you did when you chose to live as a taxpaying member of society rather than a hermit scouring the bush for berries and fish.

Enjoy your VMs.

Re: Apple Silicon and Virtual Machines: Beating the 2 VM Limit (2023)

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Post by FireBeyond »

moondev wrote: post #43
naikrovek wrote: post #17

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They are likely scared of people who would run MacOS virtual desktop farms, without also buying an appropriate number of Apple machines. That’s what I would be worried about if my primary source of income was hardware sales.

Imagine buying a mac studio with 500+ GB of memory and being limited to 2 vms.

They discontinued the 512GB Studio, and the Pro is gone, so no fear there now.
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