Their Q10 Max has hit an amazing sweet spot for me. Being able to keep DIYing on that base is like Xmas, this is awesome.
Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
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Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
#62Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience.
But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it?
Thanks
Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not a lawyer either, but: > What if I take the design, print it, include the thing in a staged photo, and sell prints of the photo? Probably fair use, provided the design wasn't the main focus of the photo, but merely part of the "set dressing." > What if I skip the printing and use the design files as a basis for a rendered photo or animation? > What if I print the design, then use a 3D scanner to recreate a file fr…
but are those derived works copyrightable? I don't think they are.
Copyright law forbids the creation of derivative works (excepting any region-specific fair-use rules) so you're only allowed to create them under the rights granted to you in the terms of the license - thus under this particular license you can't make commercial use of derivative works.
Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
#64Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience. But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it? Thanks
A combination of key samplers and going with the first acceptable switch rather than trying all of them and going with the best.
Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
#65On the source-available piece: I'm not saying I'm for those over open source licenses in general, but Prusa brought up some fair questions when discussing the OCL. Essentially: define "personal use." Have I violated a non-commercial license if I print this keyboard and then use it to build someone a website? Does CC-NC mean a Prusacaster -- or any guitar knob with such a license for that matter -- is strictly barred…
Hasn’t Creative Commons disavowed or at least really downplayed the NC license for exactly these reasons? There are so many ambiguities and headaches involved that the only advice I’ve ever seen is not to use it.
Rule of thumb:
- If it’s a company doing an NC license, probably best to be careful because they can make your life hell with lawyers.
- If it’s a random joe doing an NC license, feel free to ignore it because they don’t have the money to defend it anyway. Especially so if it’s CC-BY-NC-ND, people that pick that one are especially likely to be in the all-bark-no-bite category.
At least that’s how one of the companies I worked for treated CC licenses… I don’t work there anymore.
Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
#66Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience. But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it? Thanks
If you live in NYC take a trip to your nearest Microcenter, they often have tons of keyboards out that you can play with and get a feel for
Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
#67Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience. But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it? Thanks
Pc hardware stores often have some keyboards available to try (mostly cheap cherry mx stuff).
Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
but are those derived works copyrightable? I don't think they are.
Copyright law forbids the creation of derivative works (excepting any region-specific fair-use rules) so you're only allowed to create them under the rights granted to you in the terms of the license - thus under this particular license you can't make commercial use of derivative works.
But is a physical item a derivative work of it's technical specifications?
If the design files qualify for copyright protections, then modifications to them would clearly be derivative works.
I don't think it is clear if the keyboard itself would be a derivative work, as it almost certainly can't be protected by copyright. This is what patents are for.
Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
#69Sort of tangent - but I've always thought there would be physical stores in big cities (like NYC, where I am) where I could try a number of different keyboards and keys since it's such a tactile experience. But there seems to be no stores like this? So... is everyone ordering keys and keyboards, returning them, trying others, etc.? I know there are key switch samplers... is that it? Thanks
If you live in NYC take a trip to your nearest Microcenter, they often have tons of keyboards out that you can play with and get a feel for
for sure, that's probably the best option here in NYC/Brooklyn
but it definitely feels limited when compared with all of the options available online (that probably applies to most things)
there's a specialized store in Brooklyn for modular synths [0] - obviously they don't stock every module but still... I'd assume that a keyboard store would be... popular? maybe? haha
(((((((((should I start a keyboard store ahaha - I swear this was not market research)))))))
Re: Industrial design files for Keychron keyboards and mice
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not a lawyer, but as I understand it the license is a matter of copyright, and the copyright only applies to the design files. So as long as you're making that keyboard for yourself then you should be good to do anything you want with the keyboard, because it is no longer using the license at that point. Now, what is interesting is if someone were to blatantly violate the license and start manufacturing commercial ke…
> Not a lawyer, but as I understand it the license is a matter of copyright, and the copyright only applies to the design files. So as long as you're making that keyboard for yourself then you should be good to do anything you want with the keyboard, because it is no longer using the license at that point. What if I take the design, print it, include the thing in a staged photo, and sell prints of the photo? What if…
obviously the photos and media is covered by copyright, but rendering your own probably is not.