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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by soared » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:15 PM UTC

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #28

Postmodernist movements like DEI were never about objective reality — in fact the idea of an objective reality is outright rejected. It doesn't matter if men are being left out of jobs (statistically) — they're [according to the ideology] the eternal benefactors of invisible, omnipresent systemic privilege. This is of course the complete opposite of the ideals of liberalism and the human rights movement, which is why…

Paragraphs like this use a lot of words to not actually saying anything. If you don’t mind elaborating:

What about DEI rejects reality?

How have men /not/ been the clear benefactors of gender for effectively all of history, which negatively impacts women in the workplace today?

Human rights is about equality, and DEI achieves that through pulling up the mistreated to reach parity, no? Are you saying “it’s not equality unless everyone is treated equal”? (IE building a wheel chair ramp is not equality, because we’re treating disabled people different)

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by general1465 » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:16 PM UTC

joe_mamba wrote: post #36

bill_joy_fanboy wrote: post #20

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Yep. A bunch of unemployed and "unempowered" men sitting around leads to them thinking things like: "Maybe we shouldn't be so cooperative anymore."

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The whole manosphere problem shows that with correct leader you can forge your own army.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by joe_mamba » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:17 PM UTC

general1465 wrote: post #62

joe_mamba wrote: post #36

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The whole manosphere problem shows that with correct leader you can forge your own army.

Manosphere is a symptom, not a problem. And manosphere is a boogie-man nothing burger that has no leverage over men, since it's co-opted by grifters and scammers trying selling you courses. There's no actual "leader" there that men recognize.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by throwaway173738 » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:17 PM UTC

lesuorac wrote: post #42

endominus wrote: post #14

It's frustrating that the only suggestion the experts interviewed have here is essentially blue-washing woman-dominated jobs. "For instance, many health care jobs could be framed as roles requiring the strength to lift people. Preschools could highlight the need for teachers who serve as positive male role models." Just reads as that one SMBC comic - "how can we make math pink ?" As if the only way they can understan…

Isn't it only a question of marketing? There's only so many lumberjacks needed in an economy. Sure you can depress the wages for awhile but there's still a limit. So you need Men do to something else and the way you do that is with marketing (and also with Men being unemployed until they accept a nursing job).

Well yeah but the real problem is a lot of jobs that go to women are not considered high status jobs. That’s the source of all of the gendering and gender imbalance of those jobs. Even computer programming was low status, which coincided with it being women-dominated once upon a time. We could fix the whole problem if we just convinced people to treat the people holding nursing, teaching, and childcare positions as if they we’re important members of society. And I mean this would fix the pay gap too.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by Tangurena2 » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:17 PM UTC

unsupp0rted wrote: post #31

zbentley wrote: post #15

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Citation needed, bad faith suspected. Even adjusted for maternity and career entry/exit differences, the gender pay gap is still big and real. And while there is overlap and outliers, many more women-dominated industries are at lower pay segments (and with fewer benefits) than industries dominated by men.

How about adjusted for people who are welding things underwater or throwing 25 kilo garbage bins into a truck?

Underwater welding does pay extremely well. But to break into that field needs a commercial diving license and lots of time/skill at saturation diving. Basically, it is easier to train a diver to weld than it is to teach a welder to be a commercial diver. Many (US) entrants are ex-SEAL. There's about 20-25k such people worldwide and the death rate is about 1 in 15. Career ending injuries are about the same. If you need nightmare fuel: "Byford Dolphin".

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by junaru » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:18 PM UTC

hackyhacky wrote: post #23

PessimalDecimal wrote: post #19

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There's been a lot of talk about "toxic masculinity" over the years but I've heard of and would worry about the female equivalent if I were considering a role in nursing as a man. Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. Seems awful

> Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. In other words, men in nursing are treated to the same indignities that women experience in most jobs?

Out of that list only sexual advances apply to men. So no its not the same. Having worked in mostly female workplace i can confirm the pissing matches there are on a whole new level.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by malfist » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:18 PM UTC

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #39

malfist wrote: post #11

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Almost like diversity, equality and inclusion is a net positive thing for everyone

That would be true if those ideals were applied in alignment with liberal values. However, the most common material form of DEI is rooted in postmodernism and its various offshoot theories (queer theory, critical race theory, intersectionality, post-colonial theory, etc) in which colourblindness is inherently racist. So, no, not really.

So many boogiemen in your post.

Tell me, exactly, why does the study of queer people mean diversity and inclusion is bad?

Not even going to touch your idea that colorblind racism isn't racism.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:19 PM UTC

guzfip wrote: post #24

- nursing: I don’t want to work 60-70 hours a week at your horrific body shop of a PE asset - teaching: unruly kids. Bully’s get protected and those who stand up get punished. There’s some level of societal distrust of men around children not their own. - social work: you’re exposed to some of the worst most horrific side of society constantly for peanut pay. You’re constantly in a position where you want to help peo…

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by general1465 » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:20 PM UTC

joe_mamba wrote: post #60

general1465 wrote: post #52

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The problem is that it became really hard to lead society into a war. See support for Iran war. It started basically on zero and kept cratering. Now you want to lead these males to die in war, while they are fully aware of what you are doing? At best you will get dysfunctional army fragging itself constantly. At worst you will trigger unrest because males would rather should they have an agency than be sacrificed as…

>See support for Iran war. It started basically on zero and kept cratering. Until the glowies stage a false flag attack on home soil to pin it on Iran.

Which will likely be immediately called out as so. See recently (few days ago) when Orban's goons put explosives on gas pipes in Serbia going towards Hungary and then loudly blaming Ukraine.

Everybody immediately knew that this would make no sense for Ukraine to do that - i.e. Why would they just plant explosives to be found, when they would blow it up on spot if they really wanted?. Whole thing kind of fizzled out because nobody took the bait.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by thepryz » Fri, Apr 10, 2026, 1:20 PM UTC

kleiba2 wrote: post #27

zbentley wrote: post #15

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Citation needed, bad faith suspected. Even adjusted for maternity and career entry/exit differences, the gender pay gap is still big and real. And while there is overlap and outliers, many more women-dominated industries are at lower pay segments (and with fewer benefits) than industries dominated by men.

> the gender pay gap is still big and real Not that big however if you control for line of work (which industry), education, prior experience, and part-time vs. full-time employment.

Also worth noting that several studies have shown pay differentials to be highly correlated with women being less likely to negotiate compensation or ask for less.

https://www.nber.org/digest/apr13/do-women-avoid-salary-nego...