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New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#61

While I agree with the general argument that iOS shouldn’t limit the user’s freedom, it looks to me like Apple actually put in some effort to make this as privacy-preserving as possible. The article somewhat glosses over it, but you can buy a PASS age verification card at the local post office for 15£. That one is widely accepted and it doesn’t contain unnecessary information that might cause trouble if it leaked (li…

Also parent in the UK - strong disagree, it’s part of our parental responsibilities to set this up, not doing it is the same as not watching a newly walking baby on the stairs (/etc). Compromising everyone’s privacy for a subset of lazy parents is a failing of society.

Relatively few newly walking babies have peers whose parents allow them to use stairs unattended making them feel socially excluded for not also using stairs unattended.

Ignoring the existence of peer pressure and calling parents lazy is a failing of individuals.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PASS card features your name and photo, it's an ID by any other name. You must have a very warped perspective of social reality if you think it should be acceptable to force every adult to show their papers before they can do anything in modern society - and all that just so you can avoid your parenting duties. And I say that as a parent.

I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

If those restrictions are so good for children, wouldn't it be in your interest to enforce them - even when other parents do not?

Or are you worried about your kids getting an unfair advantage over unrestricted ones?

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#63

While I agree with the general argument that iOS shouldn’t limit the user’s freedom, it looks to me like Apple actually put in some effort to make this as privacy-preserving as possible. The article somewhat glosses over it, but you can buy a PASS age verification card at the local post office for 15£. That one is widely accepted and it doesn’t contain unnecessary information that might cause trouble if it leaked (li…

Your phone should not have any business whatsoever collecting, checking, or verifying the age of the person using it. > And as a parent, I know that if child protection is opt-in, there’ll be a huge fight about it, because some other parents won’t activate it, which then makes the situation unfair for the kids. I’d much rather have it on by default so that all kids are treated the same. If you cared about your childr…

A phone, no. An internet connected device is another question.

One can always get a dumbphone without this.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#64

While I agree with the general argument that iOS shouldn’t limit the user’s freedom, it looks to me like Apple actually put in some effort to make this as privacy-preserving as possible. The article somewhat glosses over it, but you can buy a PASS age verification card at the local post office for 15£. That one is widely accepted and it doesn’t contain unnecessary information that might cause trouble if it leaked (li…

Your phone should not have any business whatsoever collecting, checking, or verifying the age of the person using it. > And as a parent, I know that if child protection is opt-in, there’ll be a huge fight about it, because some other parents won’t activate it, which then makes the situation unfair for the kids. I’d much rather have it on by default so that all kids are treated the same. If you cared about your childr…

“But $parent, none of the other kids have it on! I’m missing out on everything! Are you trying to ruin my life? I hate you!”

Rinse and repeat until you break

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#67
post #52

You can blame the government as much as you like, but this is actually has to do with british nature, they have an obsessive need for control, and if you worked with some you will immediately notice how they will try to make all sort of policies and shit to control the other party, all while they pretend they are open about hearing other’s opinions. So it kinda backfired, what goes around comes around.

Funny; as a Brit I'd say the above is a classic hallmark of American companies.

Brits are masters of malicious compliance.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PASS card features your name and photo, it's an ID by any other name. You must have a very warped perspective of social reality if you think it should be acceptable to force every adult to show their papers before they can do anything in modern society - and all that just so you can avoid your parenting duties. And I say that as a parent.

I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

> I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not.

Different families can choose to raise their children differently. Please let other parents make their own parenting choices for their own kids.

There are parents who are more strict with their kids than you are in ways you don’t agree with. I guarantee you wouldn’t be happy if they were lobbying to force your kids to obey their chosen set of rules because they didn’t want “inequality”.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PASS card features your name and photo, it's an ID by any other name. You must have a very warped perspective of social reality if you think it should be acceptable to force every adult to show their papers before they can do anything in modern society - and all that just so you can avoid your parenting duties. And I say that as a parent.

I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#70
post #65

Why have Western countries introduced so many laws that look like China’s? The government controls more and more individuals

Because the internet became a shithole.

I miss the old internet of mailing lists and websites with blinking gifs and "webrings".

I really do.

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