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ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by rvz »

dismalaf wrote: post #48
satvikpendem wrote: post #16

The era of subsidization is over, it seems. For my money, on the code side at least, GitHub Copilot on VSCode is still the most cost effective option, 10 bucks for 300 requests gets me all I need, especially when I use OpenAI models which are counted as 1x vs Opus which is 3x. I've stopped using all other tools like Claude Code etc.

> The era of subsidization is over Of course it is. Returns are diminishing, AGI isn't happening with current techniques but it is good enough to sell, so it's time to monetize. I just got an email from OpenAI as well about ads in their free tier (I signed up once out of curiosity).

> AGI isn't happening with current techniques but it is good enough to sell, so it's time to monetize.

Or perhaps it was a scam in the first place for an IPO.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by asadm »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #60

For me it's not the price. It's the fact that they obviously read my prompts and may even use a derived version of my data for training. As it's very clear in the meantime that SAMA lies most of the time, there's just no way I can trust this company in any way.

are your prompts that important that you would not use SOTA models just to protect them?

For me, they are just a means to an end and disposable.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by Tiberium »

dimmke wrote: post #53
carbocation wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The $20 Plus plan still exists, and does not give access to the pro model. The $200 Pro plan still exists, and does give access to the pro model. What is new is a $100 Pro plan that does give access to the pro model, with lower usage limits than the $200 Pro plan.

This is still worse than Anthropic's right? Because you get access to their top model even at the $20 price point

It's not worse, Anthropic simply has no equivalent model (if you don't consider Mythos) of GPT 5.4 Pro. Google does though: Gemini 3.1 Deep Think.

GPT 5.4 Pro is extremely slow but thorough, so it's not meant for the usual agentic work, rather for research or solving hard bugs/math problems when you provide it all the context.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by coreyburnsdev »

sassymuffinz wrote: post #39
satvikpendem wrote: post #16

The era of subsidization is over, it seems. For my money, on the code side at least, GitHub Copilot on VSCode is still the most cost effective option, 10 bucks for 300 requests gets me all I need, especially when I use OpenAI models which are counted as 1x vs Opus which is 3x. I've stopped using all other tools like Claude Code etc.

I tried Claude Code for a week straight recently to see what all the hype was about and while it pumped out a bunch of reasonable looking code and features I ended up feeling completely disconnected from my codebase and uncomfortable. Cancelled the plan I had with them and happily went back to just coding like normal in VSCode with occasional dips into Copilot when a need arose or for rubber ducking and planning. Fee…

why not just use it to review your codebase/commits/prs? you don't have to let it write a bunch of code for you neccessarily.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by antirez »

Tiberium wrote: post #57
antirez wrote: post #34

Very good move. In my experience, for system programming at least, GPT 5.4 xhigh is vastly superior to Claude Opus 4.6 max effort. I ran many brutal tests, including reconstructing for QEMU the SCSI controller (not longer accessible) of a SVSY UNIX of the early 90s used in a 386. Side by side, always re-mirroring the source trees each time one did a breakthrough in the implementation. Well, GPT 5.4 single handed did…

Thanks for confirming my impressions, it's been like 4 months now that I've arrived at the same conclusions. GPT models are just better at any kind of low-level work: reverse engineering including understanding what the decompiled code/assembly does, renaming that decompiled code (functions/types), any kind of C/C++, way more reliable security research (Opus will find way more, but most will turn out to be false posi…

In the SCSI controller work I mentioned, a very big part of the work was indeed reasoning about assembly code and how IRQs and completion of DMAs worked and so forth. Opus, even if TOOLS.md had the disassembler and it was asked to use it many times, didn't even bothered much. GPT 5.4 did instead a very great reverse engineering work, also it was a lot more sensible to my high level suggestions, like: work in that way to make more isolated progresses and so forth.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by satvikpendem »

operatingthetan wrote: post #58
satvikpendem wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I said by subsidization being over.

The subsidization being "over" would mean we are paying their actual cost or more.

I see what you mean, I misread your initial reply.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by tedsanders »

irishcoffee wrote: post #43
carbocation wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The $20 Plus plan still exists, and does not give access to the pro model. The $200 Pro plan still exists, and does give access to the pro model. What is new is a $100 Pro plan that does give access to the pro model, with lower usage limits than the $200 Pro plan.

So, reading the tea leaves, they're either losing subscribers for the $200 plan, or they're not following the same hockey stick path of growth they thought they were... maybe? Edit: I wonder if this is actually compute-bound as the impetus

Nope, it's just that a lot of people (especially those using Codex) asked us for a medium-sized $100 plan. $20 felt too restrictive and $200 felt like a big jump.

Pricing strategy is always a bit of an art, without a perfect optimum for everyone:

- pay-per-token makes every query feel stressful

- a single plan overcharges light users and annoyingly blocks heavy users

- a zillion plans are confusing / annoying to navigate and change

This change mostly just adds a medium-sized plan for people doing medium-sized amounts of work. People were asking for this, and we're happy to deliver.

(I work at OpenAI.)

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by AstroBen »

recursive wrote: post #46
orphea wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You choose on checkout. There it says Plan details 5x more usage than Plus 20x more usage than Plus $120/month $200/month

So curious that the cost in the comparison is just a flat $100, not "$100 or $200" and yet the usage has the "or". Surely just a lapse in copy editing.

Surely they weren't trying to be deceptive... surely.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by treesknees »

satvikpendem wrote: post #45
giwook wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use both GH Copilot as well as CC extensively and it does seem more economical, though I wonder how long this will last as I imagine Github has also been subsidizing LLM usage extensively. FWIW it feels like GH Copilot is a cheaper version of OpenRouter but with trade-offs like being locked into VSCode and the Microsoft ecosystem overall. I already use VSCode though and otherwise I don't see much downside to using…

I'm hopeful because Microsoft already has a partnership and owns much of OpenAI so can get their models at cost to host on Azure with they already do, so they can pass on the savings to the user. This is why Opus is 3x as expensive in Copilot, because Microsoft needs to buy API usage from Anthropic directly.

I don’t think it’s API costs. Their Sonnet 4.6 is just 1x premium request which matches the 1x cost of the various GPT Codex models.
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