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Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by oofbey »

balamatom wrote: post #35
oofbey wrote: post #5

I like the idea. But I’m pretty happy with Signal. Signal does require a phone number I think, but otherwise seems very similar. Grounding identity in a phone number is very reasonable for almost all normal usage. It makes recovery simple. It does block the ultra paranoid use cases though. Oh well.

>Grounding identity in a phone number is very reasonable for almost all normal usage In many jurisdictions, telecoms form an abusive oligopoly, and you need to provide a state-issued identity document to get a phone number. That is not at all reasonable for normal usage - unlike well-known non-abusive authentication methods, such as a keypair; or its even simpler cousin, the username/password.

I guess it depends on what you consider normal. Most of the humans I know find it vastly easier to produce a state issued id to an authority than to generate a public/private key pair.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by oofbey »

coldpie wrote: post #14

I feel like a crazy person for having to write this, but: if you are starting a business (yes, non-profits are businesses), then you need to have a business plan. If you launch a business and you have not done the work to have a business plan, then in 99.999% of situations, your business will fail. A business plan includes market & competitive research, a revenue plan based on that research that includes realistic pr…

Privacy enthusiasts tend to align with anarchists - people who intrinsically distrust institutions. Maybe this also correlates with qualities like blind optimism, or disbelief in institutions like capitalism?

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by balamatom »

oofbey wrote: post #61
balamatom wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Grounding identity in a phone number is very reasonable for almost all normal usage In many jurisdictions, telecoms form an abusive oligopoly, and you need to provide a state-issued identity document to get a phone number. That is not at all reasonable for normal usage - unlike well-known non-abusive authentication methods, such as a keypair; or its even simpler cousin, the username/password.

I guess it depends on what you consider normal. Most of the humans I know find it vastly easier to produce a state issued id to an authority than to generate a public/private key pair.

What's easier: to obtain state ID, or to sign up to a website with your preferred username and password?

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

superxpro12 wrote: post #34
dminvs wrote: post #25

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I'd consider this a lowball in Austin

Whats the take-home after housing and expenses tho? It's the same in CA... massive salaries, but also massive taxes+housing expenses.

At least in my experience, having worked in both Florida and California, that's more of a wash than people imagine it's going to be -- and more so than the "cost of living calculators" tend to demonstrate, at least if you're a renter.

I actually ran a few numbers based on current costs. If you're making $120K/yr in Florida and paying the average cost for a 1-bedroom rental in Tampa ($1,642/mo, as of April 2026 according to Apartments.com), your after-tax take home is $98 (24% federal tax bracket, no state tax) and you have $78.4K after rent. If you're making $180K/yr in California and paying the average cost for a 1-bedroom rental in San Jose ($2,705/mo), your after-tax take home is $130.5K (24% federal tax bracket, 9.3% CA state tax bracket) and you have $98K left after housing.

You can keep fiddling with the numbers, but in most cases, the premium for getting a tech job in Silicon Valley is sufficiently high that you really are making more in absolute dollars despite the higher cost of living.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by oofbey »

balamatom wrote: post #63
oofbey wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it depends on what you consider normal. Most of the humans I know find it vastly easier to produce a state issued id to an authority than to generate a public/private key pair.

What's easier: to obtain state ID, or to sign up to a website with your preferred username and password?

Obtaining your first id is obviously difficult. But so is obtaining your first computer. If you’re on good terms with your government, obtaining the id is easier. That’s really the key. Sure if you focus on hostile states this stuff all makes sense. If you’re insistent on hiding from authorities then many things become much more difficult, by design.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by oofbey »

bjord wrote: post #52
bsaul wrote: post #22

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signal is really crappy. It fails at the most basic feature which is : deliver the message on time.

does it? have you been trying to use signal while disconnected from the internet?

I had a friend who complained about this too. I never understood it. She had a really cheap old android phone. Maybe that’s the issue?

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by [deleted] »

jason_zig wrote: post #19
coldpie wrote: post #14

I feel like a crazy person for having to write this, but: if you are starting a business (yes, non-profits are businesses), then you need to have a business plan. If you launch a business and you have not done the work to have a business plan, then in 99.999% of situations, your business will fail. A business plan includes market & competitive research, a revenue plan based on that research that includes realistic pr…

I think this was their business plan. See if it works and, if it doesn't, shut it down

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Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by bjord »

oofbey wrote: post #66
bjord wrote: post #52

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does it? have you been trying to use signal while disconnected from the internet?

I had a friend who complained about this too. I never understood it. She had a really cheap old android phone. Maybe that’s the issue?

I primarily use a nearly-bottom end android phone that's a few years old and just recently switched to an even older, even lower end android phone that is six years old. Neither has that issue.

Obviously, I'm not really claiming that it's not possible people are experiencing this issue, but it can't possibly be widespread.

I feel like most likely people are using android skins that aggressively kill apps in the background.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by vel0city »

balamatom wrote: post #63
oofbey wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it depends on what you consider normal. Most of the humans I know find it vastly easier to produce a state issued id to an authority than to generate a public/private key pair.

What's easier: to obtain state ID, or to sign up to a website with your preferred username and password?

Well, I and a lot of the people I'm going to talk to through things like Signal are going to have a state ID regardless as I live in a country where one practically needs to drive a car to function in society.

On top of that so many other things just inherently expect one to have a phone number. It would be somewhat odd to not have a phone number for most of the people I know and talk to through platforms like Signal.

So to your question of which is easier, having the state ID and a phone number is easier because I'll already have that for a multitude of reasons.

If you live in a place where its rare to have a phone number, then yes I agree Signal probably isn't a good choice.

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