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Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by Skywalker13 »

Skywalker13 wrote: post #58
narag wrote: post #47

After reading a bunch of negative comments here, let me add a little on the bright side. I've been using Thunderbird for many years, currently both at home and at work to manage gmail accounts, pop at home, imap in the office. It works great for me, with a few annoyances but nothing serious. As for the donations, Thunderbird seems to be somehow apart from Mozilla now, so I don't think much about specific org structur…

I use Thunderbird from the beginning when it was still named Firebird (I switched from Outlook Express). I think that it's a good product because it continues to do the job since more than 20 years. Me too I don't understand the negative comments. It's free (MPL license), it's packaged by Debian. All good. I don't care about Mozilla.

I just check something because my memory as faults... Firebird was the name of Firefox and the mail client was called something like Mozilla mail or something else.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by CamouflagedKiwi »

Skywalker13 wrote: post #61
Skywalker13 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Thunderbird from the beginning when it was still named Firebird (I switched from Outlook Express). I think that it's a good product because it continues to do the job since more than 20 years. Me too I don't understand the negative comments. It's free (MPL license), it's packaged by Debian. All good. I don't care about Mozilla.

I just check something because my memory as faults... Firebird was the name of Firefox and the mail client was called something like Mozilla mail or something else.

It was originally Minotaur (when the browser was Phoenix), then they were Firebird and Thunderbird, until the browser renamed to avoid a name clash.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by copperx »

mrks_hy wrote: post #38

I really like Thunderbird, it's the only truly cross-platform mail app, with K9 also now on Android. Works perfect, I even migrated my Windows install to Linux just by copying the data folder, absolutely seamless. Not sure why people are hating on it so much here. Point to an alternative with the same features?

people point to the rare bug report that deletes absolutely everything in the account. but at this point, I don't even know if it's true.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by addandsubtract »

drekipus wrote: post #49
latexr wrote: post #17

If you press the browser’s back button on the donation page, they send you to a page pestering you for your email address so they can send you a reminder to donate later. Talk about a dark pattern. Mozilla has really gone off the rails. An organisation who claims to work on behalf of the user and who makes a web browser, actively hijacking the user experience to peddle for a few dollars? Why the heck is Thunderbird “…

I don't think it's a dark pattern. Just a common marketing thing. Not "everything that annoys me" is a dark pattern.

Stealing the function of the back button is a dark pattern.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by upofadown »

code-blooded wrote: post #11

Campaigns like this need more info. This page doesn't answer any basic questions. How much money do you currently get? How much money do you need and how will you use it? Does it even go directly to Thunderbird development or will be used up by Mozilla for other projects? Edit: I found some info here: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/ Still, my point stands that communication around it should be super clear a…

They are an entity separate from Mozilla:

* https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by Levitating »

narag wrote: post #47

After reading a bunch of negative comments here, let me add a little on the bright side. I've been using Thunderbird for many years, currently both at home and at work to manage gmail accounts, pop at home, imap in the office. It works great for me, with a few annoyances but nothing serious. As for the donations, Thunderbird seems to be somehow apart from Mozilla now, so I don't think much about specific org structur…

> Thunderbird seems to be somehow apart from Mozilla now

I don't think that's the case.

"Thunderbird is part of MZLA Technologies Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation."

Thunderbirds sourcecode is literally part of the same mercury codebase as Firefox.

Thunderbird does have a very small team, and I think everyone that uses it should considering donating.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by vntok »

teekert wrote: post #8
mhitza wrote: post #7

Wasn't Thunderbird Pro the avenue for extra project financing? Why does it take so long to launch an email service?

Was going to say it's here, but it's not indeed, you can join the waitlist: https://www.tb.pro/en-US/

To be fair, "Give for TB awareness" has a nice ring to it...

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by antisol »

shakna wrote: post #6
tristanj wrote: post #5

Mozilla brings in almost $700 million per year, they have more than enough money to sponsor MZLA/Thunderbird development.

Mozilla tried to kill Thunderbird in 2020. They've been talking about not sponsoring it all since 2015. They might have the money, but they don't really seem to want anything to do with the project.

Good! I hope they do "kill it off" so that someone who isn't totally incompetent can fork it and take it over.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by bpt3 »

upofadown wrote: post #66
code-blooded wrote: post #11

Campaigns like this need more info. This page doesn't answer any basic questions. How much money do you currently get? How much money do you need and how will you use it? Does it even go directly to Thunderbird development or will be used up by Mozilla for other projects? Edit: I found some info here: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/ Still, my point stands that communication around it should be super clear a…

They are an entity separate from Mozilla: * https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

They are a wholly owned subsidiary. They're separate from Firefox, not Mozilla.
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