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Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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post #59

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It's not a problem that money can solve. If you think it is, it's over. It wasn't that long ago that men would sign up for almost-certain death in defence of their families, their people, their nation. Recognise that young men have nothing worth fighting for now. There is a much larger issue that can't be solved by throwing a few more shekels at disillusioned mercenaries.

> It wasn't that long ago that men would sign up for almost-certain death in defence of their families, their people, their nation. I would say WW2 was pretty long time ago, none of the latter US wars was about thing you mention, everyone serving in following wars were not soldiers but mercenaries. Btw. why you need army to defend your own family? Also your family is more likely to be hurt by your fellow citizen than…

> I would say WW2 was pretty long time ago

A staggering number of people enlisted or re-enlisted after a break in service due to 9/11 and patriotic ideas. (... And then more than half ended up getting sent to Iraq.)

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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I still don’t understand why, if they are having trouble with recruitment, they simply won’t raise the pay to entice more recruits? We have a seemingly unlimited budget for bombs but god forbid you pay for smart, qualified people willing to actually do the work. It is as simple as that and not anymore complicated

No one gets rich by giving more money to soldiers.

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Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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post #9

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What you wrote has nothing to do with the article. The draft is for (a) massively unpopular wars that the public won't consent to (b) existential wars that require huge manpower. It's for cannon fodder; not at all for "smart", "qualified" people.

Not to mention, in the event of required increase in personnel, why "pay to entice" when you can "legally compel" without needing to pay more to the plebs?

I'd imagine there would be different morale implications between these two situations

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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post #32

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The more history I learn, the more I see how big of a role mercenaries played in wars of the past.

In Game of Thrones (A Clash of Kings), Lord Varys poses a riddle to Tyrion Lannister involving three men—a king, a priest, and a rich man—each commanding a sellsword to kill the other two based on their respective sources of authority: law, gods, or gold. The riddle asks, "Who lives and who dies?" with the answer being that the sellsword decides, as he holds the physical power of life and death. Varys reveals that po…

Double meaning: "no one" can also refer to the Faceless Men, the magical face-changing assassins of Braavos, who kill on behalf of the common people with some frequency

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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post #60

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The DoD publishes an annual schedule comparing civilian wages in most MOS's and rates. I couldn't find it within 10 seconds of searching, but I found this old study [1] posted on a mil website, stating that average compensation was significantly higher for enlisted personnel. For your individual experience, consider the years of experience and education of your contractor / DA civilian counterparts. Furthermore, cons…

> The fact you're even posting on the orange site to begin with implies you received some expensive training that would ordinarily require a university degree. That is quite a leap.

In the Navy, I stood next to a surgeon and passed them instruments, then cleaned up afterward.

Yeah, it's an interesting footnote in my biography, but didn't have much relevance to my career arc after I got out.

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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This selective service policy change is unrelated to any prospective or ongoing military operations. Enlisted personnel typically out-earn civilian counterparts when tax-free allowances are accounted. Officers have accepted comparably low pay for the history of the U.S. armed services. Cited reasons include prestige, networking opportunities, and as a distant third, sense of duty to nation.

> Enlisted personnel typically out-earn civilian counterparts when tax-free allowances are accounted. Citation heavily needed. When I was a junior non-com, my civilian colleagues made way more than I did, even including the (quite nice) military benefits, even when ignoring the fact that 80 hour workweeks are commonplace on deployment.

military pay is inflation adjusted. minimum wage is not.

Private Dumbfuck will get paid more on a per-year basis than the average Walmart worker, esp. when you take in to account medical coverage and training benefits in service and out (e.g. GI Bill)

on a hourly basis... maybe not -- they can work Pvt Df 24/7 an that will water down the per-hour takehome. But said Private will have the pride of wearing a uniform and being able to say they did their service, while no one will flog their experience of being a Wal-Mart drone.

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

#68
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you wrote has nothing to do with the article. The draft is for (a) massively unpopular wars that the public won't consent to (b) existential wars that require huge manpower. It's for cannon fodder; not at all for "smart", "qualified" people.

Not to mention, in the event of required increase in personnel, why "pay to entice" when you can "legally compel" without needing to pay more to the plebs?

legally compel for medical positions is a highly dicey effort.

a doctor or nurse who doesn't want to be there will half ass it and people will die.

if you want a functional, quality organization that could expand you pay for decent talent now, knowing that it may get watered down later

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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- The US has had record breaking recruitment in the last 1.5 years. - This policy is a readiness, not an activation. It's not related to current recruitment. Traditionally the US believes arming the people (2nd Amendment) means we're a stronger nation. Having bases globally makes us a stronger nation. Having everybody registered to the draft makes us a stronger nation.

The big problem is that having a demented and kompromised "president" whose handlers launch ill-advised unwinnable wars that give away needless victories to our adversaries makes us a weaker nation.

presumably that 2nd amendment should save you, non?

why hasn't it?

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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post #60

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> The fact you're even posting on the orange site to begin with implies you received some expensive training that would ordinarily require a university degree. That is quite a leap.

In the Navy, I stood next to a surgeon and passed them instruments, then cleaned up afterward. Yeah, it's an interesting footnote in my biography, but didn't have much relevance to my career arc after I got out.

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