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Re: A whole civilization might die tonight

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Post by srean »

dylan604 wrote: post #50
jacquesm wrote: post #39

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No, this is now America's war. Israel has a part in it but the US is the main belligerent at this point and if Trump follows through on his threats he all but guarantees the downfall of the United States. This has gone way too far already and since the internal checks and balances of the United States appear not to be working it will be up to the rest of the world to draw a line. We can not afford to let this spiral…

> the internal checks and balances of the United States appear not to be working There is one last test, but it's not until November. Until then, Trump is on a speed run to destroy everything he can

There's the 25th too but I dont think anyone with access to that option has the spine.

Re: A whole civilization might die tonight

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Post by jacquesm »

srean wrote: post #60
jacquesm wrote: post #57

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> I don't see this de-escalating soon unless Europe shows more teeth. Can you describe what you have in mind?

Unless Trump perceives a new unexpected threat I don't see him backing down. Russian and Chinese opposition has been accounted for. Europe's more belligerent opposition as opposed toothless diplomatic speeches may give them a reason to pause. Say, cancellations of major contracts where the primary beneficiary would have been the US. Don't know whether it will happen, but am happy to see some European countries to tak…

Europe has one 'weapon' they can use but they can use it just once: dump the bonds. The problem with that is that you need a reason big enough that by the time you're going to do it it will likely be too late to be effective and as a punitive measure it makes little sense, it's just one step short of a declaration of war. If Trump goes ahead with this madness then tomorrow morning the world economy will be in shambles, no matter what. Note that we got here ostensibly to 'free the Iranian people', apparently they need to be murdered to make them free. It's grotesque.

Re: A whole civilization might die tonight

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Post by srean »

jacquesm wrote: post #62
srean wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless Trump perceives a new unexpected threat I don't see him backing down. Russian and Chinese opposition has been accounted for. Europe's more belligerent opposition as opposed toothless diplomatic speeches may give them a reason to pause. Say, cancellations of major contracts where the primary beneficiary would have been the US. Don't know whether it will happen, but am happy to see some European countries to tak…

Europe has one 'weapon' they can use but they can use it just once: dump the bonds. The problem with that is that you need a reason big enough that by the time you're going to do it it will likely be too late to be effective and as a punitive measure it makes little sense, it's just one step short of a declaration of war. If Trump goes ahead with this madness then tomorrow morning the world economy will be in shamble…

It is to you and me. Not everyone sees it that way.

When one day the dust settles, hopefully of the benign kind, I wish some lessons to be learned on what kind of leaders to elect.

This has had me so disturbed, that I have barely been able to get much work done for weeks. Work that I enjoy doing. Then I think of Iranian citizens and feel guilty about complaining.

Re: A whole civilization might die tonight

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Post by Mr_Eri_Atlov »

lebuffon wrote: post #20
sheikhnbake wrote: post #18

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The fatal flaw in our separation of powers is that even if congressional dems had a super majority, congress is powerless to enforce anything. And the press has been covering Trump's rhetoric and the war pretty heavily.

So the "checks and balances" we were taught in school was just nonsense?

Kinda yeah, much like how Americans are taught that they are a bastion of democracy, yet your convoluted electoral system has led to multiple instances of your president losing the popular vote.

Re: A whole civilization might die tonight

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Post by jacquesm »

srean wrote: post #63
jacquesm wrote: post #62

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Europe has one 'weapon' they can use but they can use it just once: dump the bonds. The problem with that is that you need a reason big enough that by the time you're going to do it it will likely be too late to be effective and as a punitive measure it makes little sense, it's just one step short of a declaration of war. If Trump goes ahead with this madness then tomorrow morning the world economy will be in shamble…

It is to you and me. Not everyone sees it that way. When one day the dust settles, hopefully of the benign kind, I wish some lessons to be learned on what kind of leaders to elect. This has had me so disturbed, that I have barely been able to get much work done for weeks. Work that I enjoy doing. Then I think of Iranian citizens and feel guilty about complaining.

At least we have answers to the question of how World War II started. All it takes is a couple of idiots that think they are all powerful and the stage is set.

Re: A whole civilization might die tonight

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Post by srean »

dylan604 wrote: post #51
Barrin92 wrote: post #33

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It's wrong to even frame this as a partisan question. When the leader of a democratic country threatens a nation of 90 million people with genocide, that should be the end of that government on that same day. Where is the entire US population? You hear nothing but crickets, what an utterly passive, terminally ill society.

The best example I've seen of things working correctly was with South Korea removing the leader that declared martial law. The South Koreans said nope to that, and removed the head of their government. They just had the moral fortitude to do it.

They made me incredibly proud that day !

Re: A whole civilization might die tonight

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Post by akagusu »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #54
msabalau wrote: post #47

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Where are you ? What precisely are you doing other than posting stuff that pretends that a party in minority in both houses of Congress could actually stop a president, unless some politicians in the majority chose to join them. And, as underwhelming as the press are, the facts are that surveys show that American's broadly disapprove of the war. Presumably because of what they have learned about it from the press and…

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Corporations run the US government. Elected officials are just proxies.

Re: A whole civilization might die tonight

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Post by durzo22 »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #54
msabalau wrote: post #47

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Where are you ? What precisely are you doing other than posting stuff that pretends that a party in minority in both houses of Congress could actually stop a president, unless some politicians in the majority chose to join them. And, as underwhelming as the press are, the facts are that surveys show that American's broadly disapprove of the war. Presumably because of what they have learned about it from the press and…

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Yeah remember when democrats president tweeted out about nuking someone
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