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Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by HDThoreaun »

nicbou wrote: post #30
sgt wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Illegally? We're at war with Iran. They have consistently supported terrorism, they have an illegal nuclear program. They're lucky it's still at this level.

Isn't that war illegal? Doesn't congress need to approve these things? Speaking of terrorism, only one of the belligerents has been antagonizing both its allies and its enemies recently. Didn't they just snatch another country's head of state? Try a decapitation strike unprompted against Iran? Threaten to invade Canada, Greenland and Cuba? If one regime is using terror to achieve political aims these days...

No, Congress does not need to approve military action for it to be legal.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by Schmerika »

remarkEon wrote: post #51
Rotdhizon wrote: post #7

An interesting perspective I see all over X and reddit is calling these people heroes, but only once the rescue happened. The more tame responses simply state that they are happy everyone was rescued and no military was harmed. Why? Those pilots were flying over Iran illegally, presumably to inflict fatal harm on whichever targets.

Perhaps the most interesting phenomenon I see, on X and elsewhere, is that there are many people who are actively rooting for Americans to die. It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. It's quite different from the GWOT, where a sort of cold indifference was common. This time there's europeans and even some Americans who are anxious to see Americans shot down and killed. This is pr…

> It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way.

Nah, not really.

If I had 'friends' who went about kidnapping and assassinating leaders, mass murdering little girls, bombing literally hundreds of schools in a month, blowing up civilian bridges and power plants, etc etc etc... I wouldn't need to invoke "the newsfeed algorithm" to explain why people are genuinely happy to see the people committing those atrocities get a tiny taste of what they've been inflicting.

Friends don't let friends commit war crimes. And indeed, from that perspective, America might never have had any real friends. We've just been the biggest bully with the biggest stick, the kid whose parents owned the biggest local news channel and industry.

And frankly, friendship with America doesn't even come with the same perks as it used to. You want Europe to buy all their oil and weapons from the US at inflated prices? You want to stir shit up all over the world and then use the ensuing refugee crisis to bolster far right parties across Europe? You want to have a go at Greenland??

... And then complain that we don't have any "real friends" except Israel any more?! Well shit dude, I wonder why. Spoiler alert: It's not because Hitler comparisons are being amplified by the evil anti-genocide media.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by sosomoxie »

remarkEon wrote: post #51
Rotdhizon wrote: post #7

An interesting perspective I see all over X and reddit is calling these people heroes, but only once the rescue happened. The more tame responses simply state that they are happy everyone was rescued and no military was harmed. Why? Those pilots were flying over Iran illegally, presumably to inflict fatal harm on whichever targets.

Perhaps the most interesting phenomenon I see, on X and elsewhere, is that there are many people who are actively rooting for Americans to die. It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. It's quite different from the GWOT, where a sort of cold indifference was common. This time there's europeans and even some Americans who are anxious to see Americans shot down and killed. This is pr…

As an American rooting for Iran, I can offer my perspective. My country is occupied by Israel and used to commit the most heinous crimes against humanity that anyone could imagine. I am sick of it. Iran are fighting the very people occupying my government and the occupied government itself. They are on my side, hell they even offered to bomb Palantir! I'm rooting for the end of Zionism and Iran is really my only hope to make that happen.

This situation has been apparent for a long time, so I do not feel sorry for the people who signed up to fight in Israel's proxy military -- a military that was already guilty of mass war crimes prior to being occupied I might add.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by spaghetdefects »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #11
Rotdhizon wrote: post #7

An interesting perspective I see all over X and reddit is calling these people heroes, but only once the rescue happened. The more tame responses simply state that they are happy everyone was rescued and no military was harmed. Why? Those pilots were flying over Iran illegally, presumably to inflict fatal harm on whichever targets.

Conversely I find it strange how many people seem to want US servicemen to come to harm because it would validate their political views.

Is joining a military that has constantly been engaged in terror a "political view"? I'm not the one killing innocent people, it's just basic humanity to feel justice when murderers are stopped. I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican, this is not a partisan issue. I would vote for any politician that said they were closing down our bases all over the world and sanctioning Israel.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by spaghetdefects »

leereeves wrote: post #37
CamperBob2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My political views are pretty simplistic: whoever initiates violence is the bad guy. That's problematic here, because neither the US nor Iran are strangers to initiating violence. So a further refinement is necessary, based on a principle that I haven't had to fall back on very often: whoever initiates violence during negotiations is the bad guy.

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Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by spaghetdefects »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #13
anovikov wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simple "us vs them". I see nothing wrong about it.

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The US/Israel lobs cluster munitions, YOLO fires missiles (and in facts targets schools and hospitals) and has long range nuclear missiles.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by remarkEon »

sosomoxie wrote: post #63
remarkEon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the most interesting phenomenon I see, on X and elsewhere, is that there are many people who are actively rooting for Americans to die. It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. It's quite different from the GWOT, where a sort of cold indifference was common. This time there's europeans and even some Americans who are anxious to see Americans shot down and killed. This is pr…

As an American rooting for Iran, I can offer my perspective. My country is occupied by Israel and used to commit the most heinous crimes against humanity that anyone could imagine. I am sick of it. Iran are fighting the very people occupying my government and the occupied government itself. They are on my side, hell they even offered to bomb Palantir! I'm rooting for the end of Zionism and Iran is really my only hope…

Okay. My response to this is that this does not reflect reality. There is ample evidence that, of the countries out there, Israel exercises outsized influence and is in many ways a very toxic partner. But occupying? We should be reasonable and precise in how these things are discussed. The IRGC is not on "your side". They would kill you without thinking twice about it, unless you are muslim, and even then they're probably just ask permission. Words on the internet are one thing, but be mindful that active support for Iran is treason.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by zappb »

sosomoxie wrote: post #63
remarkEon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the most interesting phenomenon I see, on X and elsewhere, is that there are many people who are actively rooting for Americans to die. It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. It's quite different from the GWOT, where a sort of cold indifference was common. This time there's europeans and even some Americans who are anxious to see Americans shot down and killed. This is pr…

As an American rooting for Iran, I can offer my perspective. My country is occupied by Israel and used to commit the most heinous crimes against humanity that anyone could imagine. I am sick of it. Iran are fighting the very people occupying my government and the occupied government itself. They are on my side, hell they even offered to bomb Palantir! I'm rooting for the end of Zionism and Iran is really my only hope…

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Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by spaghetdefects »

sgt wrote: post #25
Rotdhizon wrote: post #7

An interesting perspective I see all over X and reddit is calling these people heroes, but only once the rescue happened. The more tame responses simply state that they are happy everyone was rescued and no military was harmed. Why? Those pilots were flying over Iran illegally, presumably to inflict fatal harm on whichever targets.

Illegally? We're at war with Iran. They have consistently supported terrorism, they have an illegal nuclear program. They're lucky it's still at this level.

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Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by remarkEon »

Schmerika wrote: post #62
remarkEon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the most interesting phenomenon I see, on X and elsewhere, is that there are many people who are actively rooting for Americans to die. It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. It's quite different from the GWOT, where a sort of cold indifference was common. This time there's europeans and even some Americans who are anxious to see Americans shot down and killed. This is pr…

> It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. Nah, not really. If I had 'friends' who went about kidnapping and assassinating leaders, mass murdering little girls, bombing literally hundreds of schools in a month, blowing up civilian bridges and power plants, etc etc etc... I wouldn't need to invoke "the newsfeed algorithm" to explain why people are genuinely happy to see the people c…

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