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Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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> Instead of targeting data centers, it's far easier to target the electrical substation that powers the datacenter That has a lot of collateral damage that may or may not be desirable though. Simultaneously it might have quite a different long term effect right? If all the actual computers are unharmed they can be powered in other ways in an emergency, even if at much higher cost. Or powered back up later, the time…

Any cloud engineer worth their salt is going to have their programs be stateless and their data replicated across multiple data centers. Many cloud engineers are not worth their salt, but working in Big Tech, this has been table stakes for 20+ years. There are regular disaster drills, both scheduled and unscheduled, that test what happens when a datacenter disappears. Ideally everything transparently fails over, and…

> Any cloud engineer worth their salt is going to have their programs be stateless and their data replicated across multiple data centers.

That doesn't help much in a shooting war, unfortunately.

Redundancy is great for uncorrelated outages - if a freak weather event or power problem knocks out data centres in London, and your backups in Paris and Frankfurt are unaffected.

But if there's a war and London is getting bombed? Good chance Paris and Frankfurt are also getting bombed.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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Any cloud engineer worth their salt is going to have their programs be stateless and their data replicated across multiple data centers. Many cloud engineers are not worth their salt, but working in Big Tech, this has been table stakes for 20+ years. There are regular disaster drills, both scheduled and unscheduled, that test what happens when a datacenter disappears. Ideally everything transparently fails over, and…

> Any cloud engineer worth their salt is going to have their programs be stateless and their data replicated across multiple data centers. That doesn't help much in a shooting war, unfortunately. Redundancy is great for uncorrelated outages - if a freak weather event or power problem knocks out data centres in London, and your backups in Paris and Frankfurt are unaffected. But if there's a war and London is getting b…

Especially given modern weaponry. "Cheap" missiles and drones have a range that covers the better part of a continent.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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This may have been long discussed, but I feel like this war is the first time I've really thought hard about how big a target data centers would be in any sort of modern peer war and how that's an entirely new thing since the last time it was really on the radar (end of CW) right? We've built trillions and trillions of dollars in infrastructure in the peace time since, and it seems fairly concentrated. AWS is amongst…

Building blast resistant is a common practices for Refinery control rooms. The same methodologies can be employed for data centers as well. 1 blast can be expensively guarded againt. However designing anything above ground for sustained barges is practically/commercially prohibitive. Underground is only option. PS: Civil Engineer. Designed few of those Gas explosion resistant control rooms.

Wouldn't it me much more effective and efficient to have a mechanism to simply not pick leaders who choose war?

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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post #45

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> War crimes have never been anything more than a way the west can punish its enemies That's a fair point, the major change isn't that we suddenly started committing war crimes, it is that we've dropped all pretenses of trying to justify why what we did isn't one.

Isn't that an improvement? It seems better to have people who are honest about what they're doing, even when committing war crimes. At least then people can have an honest conversation about whether the policy is working. One of the most frustrating things about wars is people adopt policies that don't advance their objectives and then lie about what they're doing, what happened and why. This sets up an environment w…

If I admit to killing someone in court, because I regret it, I acknowledge I have a debt to society I need to pay, and honesty is the first step on my route towards eventual reform - that's an improvement.

If I admit to killing someone because I want everyone to know I'm a tough, viscous killer and they'd better not piss me off or they'll be next - that's not an improvement.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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post #45

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> War crimes have never been anything more than a way the west can punish its enemies That's a fair point, the major change isn't that we suddenly started committing war crimes, it is that we've dropped all pretenses of trying to justify why what we did isn't one.

Isn't that an improvement? It seems better to have people who are honest about what they're doing, even when committing war crimes. At least then people can have an honest conversation about whether the policy is working. One of the most frustrating things about wars is people adopt policies that don't advance their objectives and then lie about what they're doing, what happened and why. This sets up an environment w…

> Isn't that an improvement?

Not really, IMO. Their goal isn't honesty and transparency, they just DGAF to hide it because they correctly realize there won't be any personal consequences for their actions.

They are still lying about most everything else - why the war was started, suppressing the amount of causalities, etc.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that an improvement? It seems better to have people who are honest about what they're doing, even when committing war crimes. At least then people can have an honest conversation about whether the policy is working. One of the most frustrating things about wars is people adopt policies that don't advance their objectives and then lie about what they're doing, what happened and why. This sets up an environment w…

If I admit to killing someone in court, because I regret it, I acknowledge I have a debt to society I need to pay, and honesty is the first step on my route towards eventual reform - that's an improvement. If I admit to killing someone because I want everyone to know I'm a tough, viscous killer and they'd better not piss me off or they'll be next - that's not an improvement.

You'd rather a vicious killer who pretended to be harmless and actively tried to fool you?

As to the behavior itself, I imagine the merits are heavily dependent on context. International politics depends to some extent on demonstrating a willingness and ability to engage in violence. That's not the whole story but it's definitely part of it.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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>Amazon tells its employees to deprioritize these regions as the Iran war deals meaningful damage to its infrastructure in the Gulf.

Deprioritised means migrate usage out of this zone just in case anyone misreads the context here.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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post #64

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Building blast resistant is a common practices for Refinery control rooms. The same methodologies can be employed for data centers as well. 1 blast can be expensively guarded againt. However designing anything above ground for sustained barges is practically/commercially prohibitive. Underground is only option. PS: Civil Engineer. Designed few of those Gas explosion resistant control rooms.

Wouldn't it me much more effective and efficient to have a mechanism to simply not pick leaders who choose war?

History suggests we’ll have wars periodically, probably for as long as humans exist.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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post #64

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Building blast resistant is a common practices for Refinery control rooms. The same methodologies can be employed for data centers as well. 1 blast can be expensively guarded againt. However designing anything above ground for sustained barges is practically/commercially prohibitive. Underground is only option. PS: Civil Engineer. Designed few of those Gas explosion resistant control rooms.

Wouldn't it me much more effective and efficient to have a mechanism to simply not pick leaders who choose war?

Sure but thats really fucking hard tho.
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