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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#61
Good decision.

AI programming is fundamentally different from programming and as such the discussions merit to have separate forums.

If r/programming wants to be the one solely focusing on programming then power to them. Discussing both in combination also makes sense, but the value of reddit is having a subreddit for anything and “just programming” should be on the list.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#62
post #44

I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

I have yet to run into any serious project in the wild that is using LLMs for development. I have seen vibecoded intern prototypes that took half a day to vet and dismiss because they were completely useless.

I'm sure your experience is different, but you can't _seriously_ claim we're "past the point" of not using LLMs for programming.

Vibecoding is a fundamentally different kind of activity than actual programming. It's a pure delusional dopamine rush, compared to the deliberate engineering required to build quality software.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#63
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that this is not happening here?

Worse, I am repeatedly being accused nowadays of being an LLM. It probably doesn’t help that I riff-write with only a rough outline of what I want to say, not how to say it. If the accusation is that I am an inference engine pumping out words based on a trailing context window then I am guilty as charged. It’s just that I run on Fe + C6H12O6 + O2 (a bloodstream charged with lunch and air) instead of y/C/N2 -> Si+e- (…

> If the accusation is that I am an inference engine pumping out words based on a trailing context window then I am guilty as charged. It’s just that I run on Fe + C6H12O6 + O2 (a bloodstream charged with lunch and air) instead of y/C/N2 -> Si+e- (sunlight, coal, and wind turned into silicon electrons.)

This sort of tells me that you are pro-LLM, and most pro-LLM people mostly paste the contents of their ChatGPT output and try to pass it off as their own.

Given that you say you aren't, the most likely explanation might be that you are spending a lot of time reading LLM prose, and are starting to write like it now too.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#64

There can't be any interesting discussion about AI programming. Every conversation boils down to what skill files you use, or how Opus 4.6 compares to Codex, or how well you can manage 16 parallel agents.

> or how well you can manage 16 parallel agents.

Claude does that for me. :)

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#66

There’s something off about Reddit. Either I grew up or it became hollow from within. Just angry people scolding each other all the time. There are some true gems however but usually in smaller focused subreddits.

They switched their best sorting algorithm to be engagement based rather than upvote based [1]. Upvotes are just one of many metrics, but heavy comment interaction is another. It incentivizes rage bait and performing for the crowd with every comment and post. They also switched into an almost purely moderator curated frontpage [2] rather than allowing users to vote.

1: https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/o5tjcn/evolving_the_b...

2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36040282

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#68

There’s something off about Reddit. Either I grew up or it became hollow from within. Just angry people scolding each other all the time. There are some true gems however but usually in smaller focused subreddits.

I've wondered the same thing, but you growing up definitely has to be a factor. > Just angry people scolding each other all the time. This really does describe it perfectly. I don't know about others, but focusing on my career pulled me out of a relatively low-income and dysfunctional environment. Reddit too often reminds me of people I used to know in real life. It's been so many years since then, and finding and li…

Reddit is still a step above other alternatives.

A good test for any community is: try posting that is factually incorrect but that supports the agenda of the community. Does the community call it out? In Reddit it does happen.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#70
post #44

I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

> I don't understand the people digging in as zero LLM absolutists. Relevant read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite I feel like it’s easy to understand what’s motivating these individuals to take that stance.

Definitely not the same. Luddites were fighting for humane working conditions; breaking machines was just a means to an end. They weren’t doing it because machines were the problem.

Anti AI crowd on the other hand just doesn’t like AI. A modern equivalent of a Luddite would be someone going on strike to protest firings.

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