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U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by paxys »

chadash wrote: post #54

Bad quarter for certain, but to keep things in perspective, the S&P is still up 13% over the past 12 months (likely 14% as soon as the market opens in 20 minutes). There's nothing magical about a "quarter". Had Q1 2025 ended 4 days later, it would have been significantly worse than this, but then the market went on to have a huge rally after that.

A year ago was exactly the market bottom due to tariff drama. 13% up from that isn't exactly a shining achievement.

Go back another couple months to when Trump took office and the total gains have been ~3.5%. A couple more random missile strikes and it'll go into the negative.

The only people making money in today's market are those with insider info about US economic and military actions (aka Trump and his associates).

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Post by spicyusername »

wat10000 wrote: post #29

It certainly is interesting living in a declining empire.

This is a common refrain you hear a lot. I get why people say it, because it feels good to say when you feel bad.

But the decline of the Roman empire took nearly 500 years.

Even the bronze age collapse, which you might say happened fast, took more than 100.

A thought I have every time someone parrots this is, "what is reasonable to expect?".

Would you have heard people saying the same thing during the civil war?

During the gilded age?

After the stock market crash?

During the 1970s oil crisis or the severe increase in violent crime during the 1970s and 80s?

Spain was an actual dictatorship in recent memory, and now you'll hear Americans fantasizing about fleeing there.

Should we not expect an empire to have ups and downs?

Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by GJim »

jghn wrote: post #52
voxic11 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Him and his family will be richer and more famous than ever. I don't think he cares about legacy beyond that.

this and people underestimate how many people in the country still think he's doing a great job.

> how many people in the country still think he's doing a great job.

'In the country' being 'in the USA'.

Everybody else outside the boarders of the USA is thinking "how the mighty have fallen".

Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by nancyminusone »

maplethorpe wrote: post #21
joe_mamba wrote: post #6

Crazy how for a guy so obsessed with self image and legacy, Trump is leaving behind a world where he'll be known for making everything shit that it was before him. Amazing. How does this happen?

I'm still holding out for this being some 4d chess move that's way over my head. If he really is this foolish, then why did we all vote for him?

"World's most successful con man successfully fools 77 million people" is honestly not that surprising. He is a professional after all.

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Post by worldsayshi »

citrin_ru wrote: post #16
ahartmetz wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stupidity - the most destructive force in the world. Evil at least benefits someone .

Trump net worth is $3 billion more than it was before he become a president. Likely more money was made via insider trading by his friends and family. So it's not like no one did benefit. Net loss for the country and the world is orders of magnitude higher though.

The more I see the stock market dropping due to idiotic mistakes that should've been very preventable, the more I think how beneficial it must be to be one of the insiders that accidentally let those idiotic things slip through.

Are we as small savers just idiots feeding this idiot machine?

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Post by farrelle25 »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #17
joe_mamba wrote: post #6

Crazy how for a guy so obsessed with self image and legacy, Trump is leaving behind a world where he'll be known for making everything shit that it was before him. Amazing. How does this happen?

My working theory is that Trump is best understood as an epically tragic character. So desperate to be valued and liked, that he desperately grabs at anything and everything to get the acclaim that, under normal circumstances, would signify that. His besetting character flaws foreclose any possibility of attaining the actual approval he seeks. And so, with his misguided approaches to getting praise and love, the hard…

100% this … He’s a wounded Soul … desperate to be loved and admired. As someone else wrote - there’s a void inside him that can’t be filled.

Yes if only he had the heart/insight to make that 180 U-turn. It’d bring him some peace at last.

Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by zug_zug »

chadash wrote: post #54

Bad quarter for certain, but to keep things in perspective, the S&P is still up 13% over the past 12 months (likely 14% as soon as the market opens in 20 minutes). There's nothing magical about a "quarter". Had Q1 2025 ended 4 days later, it would have been significantly worse than this, but then the market went on to have a huge rally after that.

Well the thing is -- when you have rampant inflation, the cost of everything in USD goes up -- be it houses, eggs, or even stocks. So when you subtract out how much the value of the USD has gone down relative to other currencies it's basically another 10% drop.

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Post by avaer »

mrits wrote: post #40
SilasX wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And somehow expecting everyone will get the reference.

There are a huge amount of people that spend their entire life on reddit worrying about politics

I wouldn't would shelve it under "politics", it's not what politics meant just a few years ago.

And I don't think the people you're talking about would have been political before politics became a bag of memes.

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Post by [deleted] »

SilasX wrote: post #55
mrits wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a huge amount of people that spend their entire life on reddit worrying about politics

... and comments requiring the reader to be that way too should be downvoted/flagged. Look at the replies it produced: troll mission accomplished, "productive conversation" not so much. At the very least, they could have put the comment in quotes to indicate they're quoting someone and it shouldn't be read at the object level. Edit: Seriously? Am I wrong here? Are you all really okay with Poe's Law-ifying HN, where p…

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Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by WillAdams »

grafmax wrote: post #58
blitzar wrote: post #8

I don't know why you are asking about pedophiles and sex trafficing - The Dow is over 50,000 right now, the S&P is at almost 7,000, and the Nasdaq is smashing records. Americans' 401(k) savings are booming, thats what we should be talking about.

Funny how 401ks can make members of the American public think the stock market is really about them. In capitalism, assets follow a Pareto distribution. A small minority hold the majority of assets.

Yeah, it was a big con to get folks to think that what seemed to them a huge amount of money meant that they were participating in a meaningful fashion.

I've never gotten anyone who is educated in economy/finance to provide a reasonable answer to the questions:

"Is the world economy large enough to support a meaningful number of people regularly investing in it, arriving at an amount able to support a comfortable retirement, and then draw said money out on a regular basis? What percentage of the population can be supported thus? What is to be said to that percentage whose participation would exceed the capacity of existing financial markets?"

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