Spain shuts airspace for US planes involved in Iran war

Post by vrganj » Tue, Mar 31, 2026, 7:29 PM UTC

yesco wrote: post #61

vrganj wrote: post #60

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No, specifically, which of their neighbors do they need protecting from. France? Portugal? Andorra?? The bases are a remnant of American imperialism, they serve no purpose but to further American interest. Any pretension they do anything else can only be explained as late imperial delusion of grandeur. The fact the Spanish don't let you use them to engage in your unforced act of historic self harm can be seen as yet…

Spain had the largest empire in the Western Hemisphere. Extracted silver, enslaved entire populations, and lost it when we kicked their teeth in during 1898. That's imperialism. Paying someone hundreds of millions to let you park planes on their runway is not. And "which neighbor do they need defending from" is a question that tells on itself. If you still think wars are about neighboring countries you haven't been p…

Post by ohhman11 » Wed, Apr 01, 2026, 8:27 AM UTC

tkah wrote: post #29

ceejayoz wrote: post #26

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Israel, the nation state, came into being in 1948, with the explicit financial and military aid of the United States to do so. It has had American support since within hours of its founding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Israel#State_of_... "At the end of 1948, 53% of Israel's Jewish population was insured, about 80% of them by Clalit, with a few small health funds insuring the remainder. In the followi…

To be fair here, what people often overlook by using Israel's current government as a reference point is that during the Kibbutz era Israel was decidedly left-wing. So I wouldn't necessarily attribute the presence of 90% or later 100% health care to US money.