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Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by Rohansi »

gwbas1c wrote: post #54

Years ago I shipped a MacOS product. If you deleted it, you would get an error emptying the recycle bin (or force-deleting the application bundle if you did an rm -R to it.) Why? Well, at the time Windows Explorer had an API for extensions, but MacOS didn't for Finder. We needed to add some menu items to the context menu, which on MacOS required reverse engineering Finder and injecting code into it. This then meant t…

> MacOS has its own set of gremlins too.

You can't really blame macOS for this one. Interesting to hear this isn't just a Windows thing though.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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gwbas1c wrote: post #54

Years ago I shipped a MacOS product. If you deleted it, you would get an error emptying the recycle bin (or force-deleting the application bundle if you did an rm -R to it.) Why? Well, at the time Windows Explorer had an API for extensions, but MacOS didn't for Finder. We needed to add some menu items to the context menu, which on MacOS required reverse engineering Finder and injecting code into it. This then meant t…

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Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by ryandrake »

grishka wrote: post #34
stavros wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember a time when UIs looked consistent, instead of custom-branded, and I still think the "completely reasonable and normal" state is the former, not the latter.

Windows apps that skinned everything have existed since at least Windows 95. But they were an exception rather than a rule.

We never pushed back on it when we could, because we thought WinAmp was sooooo cool, and now every application you run on your machine has a different look and feel and does not respect your desktop themes or customizations.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by Aperocky »

gwbas1c wrote: post #54

Years ago I shipped a MacOS product. If you deleted it, you would get an error emptying the recycle bin (or force-deleting the application bundle if you did an rm -R to it.) Why? Well, at the time Windows Explorer had an API for extensions, but MacOS didn't for Finder. We needed to add some menu items to the context menu, which on MacOS required reverse engineering Finder and injecting code into it. This then meant t…

As a mac user for 10+ years that cycled about 7 macs for personal and professional use, I've used Finder about biweekly to click on the airdrop button..

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by ryandrake »

> I shut down my Mac. Held the power button. Booted into Recovery Mode. Opened Terminal. Ran csrutil disable. Rebooted. Opened Terminal. Deleted the kernel extensions. Ran find to confirm they’re gone. Shut down AGAIN. Booted into Recovery Mode AGAIN. Ran csrutil enable. Rebooted AGAIN. All this just to delete four dead files and their mirrors from a disk utility.

This one is entirely on Apple. It was Apple who decided that "root isn't good enough" and that you, the user, shouldn't be able to administer your own goddamn system as root, without performing backflips while singing Happy Birthday.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by Aurornis »

ryandrake wrote: post #65

> I shut down my Mac. Held the power button. Booted into Recovery Mode. Opened Terminal. Ran csrutil disable. Rebooted. Opened Terminal. Deleted the kernel extensions. Ran find to confirm they’re gone. Shut down AGAIN. Booted into Recovery Mode AGAIN. Ran csrutil enable. Rebooted AGAIN. All this just to delete four dead files and their mirrors from a disk utility. This one is entirely on Apple. It was Apple who decid…

You can just turn that off once and leave it off if it bothers you.

Even most power users leave it on except for temporary situations like this because it’s a helpful security protection.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by SilverElfin »

Shank wrote: post #26

I think the most obscene thing here is that macOS is now littered with permission prompts for camera, background execution, etc, but makes no effort to stop even industry partners from spraying the disk with dozens of files that can’t be removed easily.

You often cannot even tell what the permission prompts are for. Sometimes they have generic names like a programming language is requesting something. Not sure what that’s about.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by devnullbrain »

gwbas1c wrote: post #54

Years ago I shipped a MacOS product. If you deleted it, you would get an error emptying the recycle bin (or force-deleting the application bundle if you did an rm -R to it.) Why? Well, at the time Windows Explorer had an API for extensions, but MacOS didn't for Finder. We needed to add some menu items to the context menu, which on MacOS required reverse engineering Finder and injecting code into it. This then meant t…

You seem to be blaming the OS for how you broke it?

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by ryandrake »

rmunn wrote: post #44
atoav wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I once watched an sysadmin with 430 years of experience swear his way through an installation process. Until I, back then a intern, pointed out that maybe reading the install instructions would have been a good idea, since there were some steps in there that would have saved us some time. We scrapped everything and reinstalled following the instructions and 15 minuted later it worked. I admit that I also often d…

> But I know people who are snuggly proud about not reading the manual and I really don't get it. Agreed... but there seem to be more and more products that either don't have manuals, or whose manuals are so badly written that reading them turns out to be a waste of time. I feel like people are being trained not to read manuals anymore, so I understand the people whose first instinct is "that thing is going to be use…

Installing software should not require a manual. It should require one button click, or one drag action.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by milkshakes »

SilverElfin wrote: post #67
Shank wrote: post #26

I think the most obscene thing here is that macOS is now littered with permission prompts for camera, background execution, etc, but makes no effort to stop even industry partners from spraying the disk with dozens of files that can’t be removed easily.

You often cannot even tell what the permission prompts are for. Sometimes they have generic names like a programming language is requesting something. Not sure what that’s about.

those are interpreters, the language is interpreted by a binary called `ruby` or `python`, for example, so that happens to be the process that's requesting the permission
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