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Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Instantly signed up. I'm already moving most of my clients out of any US-based offering. Azure and Jira are sticky, but they'll be out sooner or later.

Good news, Atlassian is technically an Australian company.

they host theirs services/data in Tasmania?

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Oh boy, I'm looking forward to the brand new EU program to allocate one million dollars to eligible startups that can develop a weapons and targeting platform so long as all forms are filed well and a registered notary has read out the bill to all participants and each participant has read out the application so that informed consent is received.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

#63

I wonder what the alternative for Europe might be? A new project to launch, or is there an existing solution? Siren? Argon? In any case, it could be a great opportunity for Europe to create new jobs whilst increasing its sovereignty.

d.AP, itemis, datawalk, helsing. There are a few alternatives, depending what you want.

Did Helsing get its name from the fictional vampire hunter family?

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Isn't this a bit like foregoing the use of gunpowder because it isn't chivalrous? If your enemies don't agree it doesn't end well.

perhaps, but civil law is a negotiated contract including rights of all involved. If a tech conglomerate invents new applications, are they now exempt from civil law?

The era of the Nation State began when courts did have real means to enforce against powerful rogues. The suggestion that simply applying a new weaponized technology overrides the legal context is regressive.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

#65

Instantly signed up. I'm already moving most of my clients out of any US-based offering. Azure and Jira are sticky, but they'll be out sooner or later.

I of course do not know your specific usage and requirements, but Berlin-based OpenProject might be a suitable and mature Jira-alternative for you - in addition to being outside US jurisdiction their services are available both on-prem/self-hosted and cloud-based.

They even have a specific Jira-migration tool: https://www.openproject.org/docs/installation-and-operations...

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Sure, Europe should absolutely be saying no to Palantir. However > A powerful company enables genocide in Gaza, helps ICE separate families, and fuels Trump’s war with Iran So does Google, so does Meta, so does Oracle. What do you think all that Palantir software runs on in the clouds? On Palantir's own huge datacenters? They don'thave those. The huge bulk of it runs on it on clouds provided my Microsoft, Amazon, Goo…

> If you're going to single out one US tech company as "we need to stop cooperating with them", I don't see how it can be any other than Meta.

Meta's products also profited off of the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar. [0]

The lawsuit won't do anything, the employees at Meta are happy with all of that and Meta does not care.

Anyone would have to be morally bankrupt to work at any of those companies and then knowingly put ex-$COMPANY in their bio as a badge to show they helped contribute to a genocide instead of stopping it.

So as long as Meta paid them, no-one cares.

[0] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/amnesty-report-finds-face...

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

#67

Isn't this a bit like foregoing the use of gunpowder because it isn't chivalrous? If your enemies don't agree it doesn't end well.

Can you explain the comparison because on its face and especially given the context in the link, I don't see the connection.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Europe can regulate anything out. Palantir should be no different.

No we can't. In the early 2000s we desperately tried to get our governments to be less dependent on Microsoft and we completely failed. Europe is not a federation like the US, worse many of the countries in Europe themselves are governed much like federations. We are easy prey for big American corporations. It's easy for Palantir to sell their product and then a thousand little government organizations will claim the…

> In the early 2000s we desperately tried to get our governments to be less dependent on Microsoft and we completely failed

You didn't have the great unifying dislike of the orange man as a motivating factor then. Now you do and I would wager there is significant public support behind getting away from reliance on the US.

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