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Colorado House passes bill to limit surveillance pricing and wage setting

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Re: Colorado House passes bill to limit surveillance pricing and wage setting

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Is this the "electronic ink pricetags bad" thing that the UFCW keeps peddling because "it takes clerk work away"? I still don't understand how they think we're going to change UPC pricing live per-person in the physical retail environment. Does the price tag change depending who looks at it? What if two people look at it at the same time? They obviously both can't be surveillance priced at that moment. The UFCW is ma…

It's so damn dystopian that we're even toying with such things. But have me an idea: for whatever reason, a person consistently gets lower prices, and offers to be your shopper. You end up paying less for groceries than you would if you went, but you have to pay your shopper. So pretty much same outcome, BUT, you didn't have to do the shopping

This is why I alway bring a street urchin with me when I shop for groceries. I make sure he has a cellphone & wifi enabled. We carefully walk down the aisle side by side and the e-ink price tags start flashing. They usually settle on a price that's halfway between the personalized price for him and I.

There are a lot of positive outcomes from this technology: more revenue in the pocket of the family who own's Canada's biggest grocer & REIT, and a deeper relationship with the neighbourhood vagabonds for me.

Re: Colorado House passes bill to limit surveillance pricing and wage setting

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> What if they’re not incompetent and you intentionally looked at Lamborghini seat covers, then, and correctly flagged you as willing to pay more as a result? What they're more likely to do is show you higher end products, because a rich person (or the person they hire to buy things for them) still has the capacity to compare prices for the same product and then charging more for the same thing still loses them the s…

Dynamic personalized pricing is a real thing. Has been for ages. The old-fashioned techniques are coupons and loyalty cards, or just having higher prices in higher-end stores. Competition isn't nearly as perfect as you say. It's very common for high-end stores to sell identical items at higher prices and still sell plenty of them. These days you can do a much better job if you have data about your prospective custome…

> Dynamic personalized pricing is a real thing. Has been for ages.

The thing where you get a discount for making a below-average number of returns is also dynamic personalized pricing.

> Competition isn't nearly as perfect as you say. It's very common for high-end stores to sell identical items at higher prices and still sell plenty of them.

High-end stores are often selling more than just the product. Some people put a premium on buying from a place they trust not to carry low-quality products so they can save time needing to exclude those themselves, or to not provide them with a counterfeit or not make returns a hassle if there's something wrong with it when they get home. I mean how would you explain anyone buying from them otherwise?

> For example, Target was found to charge higher prices in their app if your location was close to one of their stores.

It's pretty obvious why they do this. It's more expensive to keep stock at a retail store with premium downtown real estate than a rural warehouse, but if you do then you'll get sales from customers who want to see the product before they buy it or who want to get it today instead of waiting for it to be shipped. So stores have to charge higher prices than websites to cover their higher costs.

Which creates a problem for a company that has both a store and a website. If they charge higher prices on their website than other websites, customers shopping at home will use another website. If they charge lower prices on their website, customers will come use the store as a showroom or take advantage of same-day store pickup but buy the product on their phone while in the store to get the website price, using the store without paying the higher costs of having a store. This is already putting many retail stores out of business because people will use the store as a showroom and then buy the same product on their phone from whatever website has the lowest price, but at least then the store has the advantage that you can walk out of there with the product instead of waiting for shipping.

Now, is raising the website price while you're in the store a good way to fix this? Maybe not, because it kind of pisses off the customers once someone figures it out and you get bad press. But that's the argument that they don't benefit from doing it, which is no reason to ban it. You don't have to punish companies for things the market will punish them for itself. Whereas if it's actually effective to help them keep the store open so that people continue to have a showroom and same-day pickup, why are we trying to stop this again?

> Price fixing where everybody uses the same software is a real thing. RealPage recently settled a lawsuit over this.

The fun thing about attempting to fix prices is that it's illegal regardless of whether it's effective. It's completely possible to net lose money by withholding units from the market to the net benefit of the landlords not using the same software, while simultaneously causing legal problems for yourself.

It turns out that "a fool and his money are soon parted" also applies to companies.

> You seem to be taking a very Libertarian approach where you assume economics 101 wins out over anything more complex, but if you look at what's actually going on in the world this is not the case.

The reason those things are taught in Econ 101 is that in the common case that's what happens. Competitive markets actually benefit customers.

The primary things you need from the government are a) to prohibit anti-competitive acts so that competition actually exists, b) to punish fraud and c) to price externalities imposed on people who aren't party to the transaction (e.g. environmental pollution).

You generally don't need (or want) the government to prohibit companies in a competitive market from doing things customers could avoid by just patronizing someone else. If many customers with 100+ options are knowingly choosing one you think they shouldn't, it's more often because they're getting something out of it than because the government is smarter and less corrupt than everyone else.

Re: Colorado House passes bill to limit surveillance pricing and wage setting

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Dynamic personalized pricing is a real thing. Has been for ages. The old-fashioned techniques are coupons and loyalty cards, or just having higher prices in higher-end stores. Competition isn't nearly as perfect as you say. It's very common for high-end stores to sell identical items at higher prices and still sell plenty of them. These days you can do a much better job if you have data about your prospective custome…

> Dynamic personalized pricing is a real thing. Has been for ages. The thing where you get a discount for making a below-average number of returns is also dynamic personalized pricing. > Competition isn't nearly as perfect as you say. It's very common for high-end stores to sell identical items at higher prices and still sell plenty of them. High-end stores are often selling more than just the product. Some people pu…

You pivoted awfully fast from “nobody does this” to “everybody does this and it’s fine.”

Anyway, suffice to say that I disagree about the desirability of these techniques and the ability of the market to straighten things out.

Re: Colorado House passes bill to limit surveillance pricing and wage setting

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As opposed to just using Google Maps or driving by your house? Those options are a lot cheaper.

Garages exist.

They do.

Were you trying to make a point there?

Re: Colorado House passes bill to limit surveillance pricing and wage setting

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Garages exist.

They do. Were you trying to make a point there?

Google Maps or driving by their house won’t tell you if someone has a Lexus parked inside their garage.

Re: Colorado House passes bill to limit surveillance pricing and wage setting

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They do. Were you trying to make a point there?

Google Maps or driving by their house won’t tell you if someone has a Lexus parked inside their garage.

If someone owns a home with a garage, you don't need to know what kind of car they own to case how wealthy they are. It'll be pretty obvious just by looking at the house, the lawn, the neighbors homes, their lawns, their cars, is there a pool in the backyard, is there a community pool with expensive memberships, etc. Google maps and social media will tell you a whole lot... for free.

Why pay? Clearly not because some people may own garages and they may or not store their cars in them. Most people load their garages up with so much shit a car doesn't have a prayer of fitting anyways.

Re: Colorado House passes bill to limit surveillance pricing and wage setting

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Google Maps or driving by their house won’t tell you if someone has a Lexus parked inside their garage.

If someone owns a home with a garage, you don't need to know what kind of car they own to case how wealthy they are. It'll be pretty obvious just by looking at the house, the lawn, the neighbors homes, their lawns, their cars, is there a pool in the backyard, is there a community pool with expensive memberships, etc. Google maps and social media will tell you a whole lot... for free. Why pay? Clearly not because some…

Just because lots of info is available doesn't mean more info wouldn't be useful. You never know if your customer might be well above the neighborhood's average wealth. Or be average but have poor impulse control when spending money, which is even more valuable.
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