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Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by zephen »

knorker wrote: post #56
zephen wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I will not argue with you about how obvious it is. Good. Don't. Because it is exceedingly plain, if concise, English.

This is exactly the kind of comment I politely asked people not to make. Did you see the actual lawyer saying they don't know what it means?

A statement that "If you're not a lawyer then I'm not." is blunt, not particularly polite or not.

In any case, (a) it's not a request, and (b) if you truly want to control the narrative, then perhaps you should just do that from your own blog.

Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by tekne »

knorker wrote: post #57
ndriscoll wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a smart strategy then. Use an amateur license. People who just want to do stuff know they have your blessing. Corporations will stay away or pay up, not because you made them, but of their own volition. Everyone is happy. Of course even better is to simply have no explicit license, especially for something like code. Normal people can assume they can do whatever they'd like (basically, public domain). Law…

You are essentially saying that shoplifting is legal because as a civilian you are unlikely to get caught. This is a terrible take. All it takes is a litigious jerk, and you could get bankrupt. And that jerk will be legally in the right.

You are essentially saying that walking is safe because as a civilian you are unlikely to get robbed.

This is a terrible take. All it takes is an angry mugger, and you could get killed.

Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by nickff »

lxgr wrote: post #46
goodmythical wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? Why include that? The law automatically applies. Including it in the license is just redundant. Had it simply read "You may use this site for any purpose." or "You may use this site." or "You may use this" or "This can be used." it would have the same level actual restriciton in that you obviously aren't allowed to use it to break the law regardless of what it actually says. And, having typed all that, I reali…

I recently had to confirm to a brokerage that I won’t be using the money I’m withdrawing for any illegal activities. A sure sign of a legal team or possibly an entire legal system having lost the plot. Hopefully only the former.

This is probably a meek attempt at demonstrating compliance with Anti-Money-Laundering (AML) laws and regulations. Lawyers will often suggest this sort of thing, because the only cost is a slight inconvenience to the client, and it might suggest 'good faith' in the case of a prosecution or enforcement action.

Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by knorker »

tekne wrote: post #62
knorker wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are essentially saying that shoplifting is legal because as a civilian you are unlikely to get caught. This is a terrible take. All it takes is a litigious jerk, and you could get bankrupt. And that jerk will be legally in the right.

You are essentially saying that walking is safe because as a civilian you are unlikely to get robbed. This is a terrible take. All it takes is an angry mugger, and you could get killed.

Walking is not illegal.

That's why your analogy doesn't work.

Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by [deleted] »

lxgr wrote: post #46
goodmythical wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? Why include that? The law automatically applies. Including it in the license is just redundant. Had it simply read "You may use this site for any purpose." or "You may use this site." or "You may use this" or "This can be used." it would have the same level actual restriciton in that you obviously aren't allowed to use it to break the law regardless of what it actually says. And, having typed all that, I reali…

I recently had to confirm to a brokerage that I won’t be using the money I’m withdrawing for any illegal activities. A sure sign of a legal team or possibly an entire legal system having lost the plot. Hopefully only the former.

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Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by spalzdog »

goodmythical wrote: post #34
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #24

I like how, even when the whole point is to not have any terms or conditions, there are still disclaimers. "Only for lawful purposes," "no warranty," "we are not responsible." Those are still terms and conditions!

Right? Why include that? The law automatically applies. Including it in the license is just redundant. Had it simply read "You may use this site for any purpose." or "You may use this site." or "You may use this" or "This can be used." it would have the same level actual restriciton in that you obviously aren't allowed to use it to break the law regardless of what it actually says. And, having typed all that, I reali…

When it's in the contract, then it means that when you break the law you both break the law and the contract. SHould it be necessary? Perhaps not, but in some places that makes a meaningful difference.

Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by isoprophlex »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #24

I like how, even when the whole point is to not have any terms or conditions, there are still disclaimers. "Only for lawful purposes," "no warranty," "we are not responsible." Those are still terms and conditions!

Should have gone for the WTFPL

        DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE

        TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION

            0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.

Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by tempestn »

zephen wrote: post #43
knorker wrote: post #17

This does not read like it was written by a professional. Non-professionals writing licenses and T&Cs cause problems because no organization, for profit or not, wants to be dragged into court to get a "common sense" definition of a word or comma defined, at their expense. I've heard of large organizations reaching out to places who use amateur T&Cs and licenses, saying "if we give you $X, can you dual license this as…

> I will not argue with you about how obvious it is. Good. Don't. Because it is exceedingly plain, if concise, English.

I'm guessing it means that your use of the website is not contingent on you accepting (approving of) the terms presented. But there are plenty of other ways it could be reasonably interpreted. For instance, your access of the website is not contingent on the website operator approving said access.

Re: No Terms. No Conditions

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

spalzdog wrote: post #67
goodmythical wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? Why include that? The law automatically applies. Including it in the license is just redundant. Had it simply read "You may use this site for any purpose." or "You may use this site." or "You may use this" or "This can be used." it would have the same level actual restriciton in that you obviously aren't allowed to use it to break the law regardless of what it actually says. And, having typed all that, I reali…

When it's in the contract, then it means that when you break the law you both break the law and the contract. SHould it be necessary? Perhaps not, but in some places that makes a meaningful difference.

Now I'm paranoid. To your knowledge, which places does it make a difference, and what difference does it make?
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