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Re: Store birth date in systemd for age verification

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Post by miohtama »

bitwize wrote: post #52
josefritzishere wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California can't govern outside California. Other states have discovered the legal limits of their soverignty quite recently. But it certainly argues against hosting in CA and furthermore, consulting an attorney.

If you have a connection to California, you can be sued in their courts. I don't know whether providing (not selling, that certainly counts) an OS to California residents from outside California counts as a connection, that's something you need to review with your legal team. One thing is certain though: you need legal counsel to do OS dev; the Terry Davis era has come to a close.

Then let Californians do their dirty work. They have no place in the broader open-source community or in the rest of the world. Nobody should care about them, except now about caring about blocking them.

The owner of the computer should decide what the computer does.

California is a soon failed bankrupted US state, and no one outside its borders cares what's going on there. Companies are leaving, people are leaving. Let them sink to the ocean with their idiotic laws.

Re: Store birth date in systemd for age verification

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Post by kmijyiyxfbklao »

enoint wrote: post #59
dirtikiti wrote: post #37

"protecting" children by providing specific ages to data harvesters. as per usual, liberal policy doing the exact opposite thing they claim it does.

It's quite conservative. Liberalism means I can use my device with no laws in between.

Not conservative (there's nothing traditional about this) or liberal, just surveillance authoritarianism.

Re: Store birth date in systemd for age verification

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Post by enoint »

kmijyiyxfbklao wrote: post #62
enoint wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite conservative. Liberalism means I can use my device with no laws in between.

Not conservative (there's nothing traditional about this) or liberal, just surveillance authoritarianism.

In the past, children were not allowed their own phone. To be particularly cautious, smartphones have not proven a net good; and we're 20 years in.

Re: Store birth date in systemd for age verification

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Post by bitwize »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #47
iamnothere wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BSDs don’t use SystemD, neither do some distros. After they have been exposed here as collaborators I suspect we will see freedom-respecting distros move away from them. I myself have been neutral to weakly positive on SystemD until now, as they put forward some decent solutions to longstanding problems, but from now on I intend to stop using their software entirely. As it turns out, the people who warned against “pr…

Just to be clear and specific, formal engineering processes and corporate selling out are two orthogonal properties that should never be conflated. Stuff millions of people use shouldn't be slapped together as a "hobby" without careful testing and change control processes. It also should get sufficient (crowd)funding so it can get the attention it deserves.

No one actually complained about Linux becoming more "professional" in terms of meeting high engineering standards. Just about corporate control over the process. There was a study that found code with more F-bombs in the comments were actually more professional according to the engineering standard, in response to complaints from suits that swearwords in the code meant that Linux couldn't be taken seriously as professional software.

Re: Store birth date in systemd for age verification

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Post by rleigh »

mock-possum wrote: post #29
JellyYelly wrote: post #3

I don't mean to come across as a snob, or anything like that, but I find this PR really odd. It's the authors first time contributing to this repo and it the feedback on the PR that was addressed is really odd, like some of it is super basic stuff, even if you're not familiar with the code base or the language. Just an all round weird vibe.

> “The clang-tidy test failures appear to be pre-existing and don't seem to be related to my code” I’ve seen Claude reproduce nearly identical comments, wonder if that’s a couidence

Likely. Whenever I see that it usually means it itself created the test failures but won't admit to it!

Re: Store birth date in systemd for age verification

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Post by coldacid »

jmclnx wrote: post #32

Interesting solution and I really expected systemd would be were this age validation would be placed if distros what it. But if this becomes a thing in Linux for the distro I use (doubtful), I will abandon Linux after 30+ years. I am rather confident OpenBSD will ignore this law and I expect other BSDs will to. If not, back to DOS :) Note, I have a BSD on a coupld of old laptops for testing reasons. I test what I wri…

You can always use a distro that doesn't use systemd or roll your own. Sure you lose the GNOME desktop environment, but if you ask me that's a net positive.

Re: Store birth date in systemd for age verification

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Post by ahoka »

iAMkenough wrote: post #16
noobermin wrote: post #6

The context is that this is in response to California in the US potentially passing a law that requires age verification on the operating system level.

Traced back to Meta lobbyists. https://tboteproject.com/

Meta gives money to the Heritage Foundation? Wild.

Re: Store birth date in systemd for age verification

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Post by gasull »

nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #26
bitwize wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the law. If you live in the United States, and a minor in California uses your OS that didn't check age, you could be liable for up to $2500 per occurrence. That can add up quickly if California schoolkids discover your OS does an end run around the law. When ruin is the alternative, compliance becomes non-negotiable.

California laws apply to people living in California. Not the whole country.

Let alone the world.
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