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Re: A new Bigfoot documentary helps explain our conspiracy-minded era

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Post by graemep »

n4r9 wrote: post #54
gdulli wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say that Epstein is a vindication of conspiracy theories, at least not the "Bigfoot" type. Epstein was already in trouble with the law for trafficking over 20 years ago. The pedophilia in the Catholic church was known decades before that. It's shameful that these stories didn't get more attention sooner, but the general veracity of them wasn't in question. The prototypical pedophilia conspiracy theory we d…

I think if 20 years ago you claimed that there was a global sex trafficking ring that procured young girls for elites, politicians, celebrities, and royalty, you'd be laughed off as a David Icke level conspiracist. These days it just seems obvious that that was going on.

Its not just a sex trafficking ring, its a corruption ring, and the corruption part of it is much bigger. It is what the arrests in the UK have been for. Given how senior some of the people in the UK are (Mandelson is a former cabinet minister, and a former European Commissioner, and was very influential even before he held those posts).

If they had not trafficked minors as well I wonder whether it would ever have been exposed. It makes me wonder what else is going on.

Re: A new Bigfoot documentary helps explain our conspiracy-minded era

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Post by metalman »

Just because someone is paranoid, does not mean that conspiracy's to do them harm go away. Capitalism is rapidly moving towards an open establishment of techno/fuedalism, or at least trying very very hard, but as usual it's the end game that tends to fail in these ill concieved plans. And running populations in circles to speculate about yeti, bigfoot, aliens, atlantis, and variations on the rapture, has served for millenia, but the end of scarcity is adding a new twist,hence the dusting off of old tabloid's in an act of desperation.

Re: A new Bigfoot documentary helps explain our conspiracy-minded era

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

dylan604 wrote: post #38
Braxton1980 wrote: post #16

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Is the number of people high enough to make them right? For example if one doctor says I have cancer but 100 electricians say I don't I'm cancer free

9 out of 10 experts agree. It's that last one. That one person is just enough for people to latch on. Then, of the 9, 6 of them get tired of yelling at clouds and quit. The 6 get replaced with those that believe the one so that there's not 7. That goes on for long enough, you get people in charge that do away with vaccinations and measles has a come back.

That's not actually how the measles thing happens.

What really happens is that the one nutter stands in the town square ranting about lizardmen and 99.99% of people ignore him, or an actual scientist gets bored and challenges him to a debate and then lizardmen guy gets trounced and further discredited, and everything is fine. Until someone with an authoritarian streak gets tired of winning debates with lizardmen guy and instead tries to shut him up, or starts suppressing data that doesn't actually support the crazy theory but is kind of inconvenient or complicated to explain.

Then you're screwed because you're letting the conspiracy guy point to an actual conspiracy to suppress his views, which provides evidentiary support for the claim that their crazy theory isn't mainstream because it's being suppressed. Meanwhile you get free speech defenders concerned about a bad precedent coming out to oppose you, and then political lines get drawn over something that never should have been partisan, but now everyone is expected to pick a side. And a lot of people end up on the side of lizardmen guy.

But once it's partisan, people are hopeless at being neutral. If you're on lizardmen guy's side then you're giving him the benefit of the doubt and on the lookout for any fault in his critics, which is how you get way too many people actually believing in lizardmen.

The problem is fundamentally that censoring something discredits you rather than them.

Re: A new Bigfoot documentary helps explain our conspiracy-minded era

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Post by Fricken »

jibal wrote: post #46
mikert89 wrote: post #42

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Wild to think Q anon could have been truth mixed with wild fiction to throw people off. Thats really only something I thought happened in movies, or novels. I'm willing to believe alot more than i ever thought I would

> I'm willing to believe Well there you have it. That has nothing to do with truth, only an emotional inclination. For instance, you are strongly inclined to believe the claims in the comment you responded to, despite it being almost entirely BS.

Does anybody believe the lone gunman theory with JFK? Nobody buys the official narrative.

Re: A new Bigfoot documentary helps explain our conspiracy-minded era

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Post by heavyset_go »

jibal wrote: post #46
mikert89 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wild to think Q anon could have been truth mixed with wild fiction to throw people off. Thats really only something I thought happened in movies, or novels. I'm willing to believe alot more than i ever thought I would

> I'm willing to believe Well there you have it. That has nothing to do with truth, only an emotional inclination. For instance, you are strongly inclined to believe the claims in the comment you responded to, despite it being almost entirely BS.

Watch Mirage Men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_reports_and_disinformation

Re: A new Bigfoot documentary helps explain our conspiracy-minded era

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Post by IAmBroom »

mukmuk wrote: post #48

Somewhat relatedly, there is a pretty plausible theory that some “find the Yeti” expeditions were in fact cover for operations by my country’s intelligence services to sabotage China. See e.g., https://topsecretumbra.substack.com/p/the-secret-history-of-... (Btw the general idea that there are animals that we don’t know about is not remotely far-fetched. A new possum genus was discovered like a month ago.)

Finding a variant type of possum is not at all the same as Nessie surfacing in front of humans for the first time in a century, or a bipedal ape on a decades-long walking tour, unseen.

Re: A new Bigfoot documentary helps explain our conspiracy-minded era

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Post by IAmBroom »

manwe150 wrote: post #20
jstanley wrote: post #13

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> The trap's door has been bolted open since 1980 for visitor safety. "visitor safety" indeed!

Human or bear?

"There is a serious overlap in the intelligence of our smartest bears, and the dumbest tourists." - a National Park Ranger

Re: A new Bigfoot documentary helps explain our conspiracy-minded era

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #63
dylan604 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

9 out of 10 experts agree. It's that last one. That one person is just enough for people to latch on. Then, of the 9, 6 of them get tired of yelling at clouds and quit. The 6 get replaced with those that believe the one so that there's not 7. That goes on for long enough, you get people in charge that do away with vaccinations and measles has a come back.

That's not actually how the measles thing happens. What really happens is that the one nutter stands in the town square ranting about lizardmen and 99.99% of people ignore him, or an actual scientist gets bored and challenges him to a debate and then lizardmen guy gets trounced and further discredited, and everything is fine. Until someone with an authoritarian streak gets tired of winning debates with lizardmen guy…

> That's not actually how the measles thing happens.

> What really happens is that the one nutter stands in the town square ranting about lizardmen and 99.99% of people ignore him, or an actual scientist gets bored and challenges him to a debate and then lizardmen guy gets trounced and further discredited, and everything is fine.

My observation (in Germany) is rather that many antivaxxer (and sceptics of forced measles vaccination) read the scientific literature quite deeply, but come to very different conclusions. Additionally, they often have marked "live and let live" personality traits, which authorities do not like.

Because of their deep intellectual investment in this topic, they often have a much deeper knowledge about the whole topic than working doctors. The only people who are real counterparties for them are actual respected scientific experts on the topic. While these are clearly even more knowledgeable, these actual experts fear the well-read antivaxxers because the latter

- love to show gaps in the whole theoretical frameworks,

- ask really annoying and interesting questions

- etc.

Re: A new Bigfoot documentary helps explain our conspiracy-minded era

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

zyxzevn wrote: post #9

Physics is needed to fully understand the demolition of 3 towers..

Considering how many surveillance laws were passed in the USA after 9/11 (independent whether it was a terrorist attack or some controlled demolition) and wars were started on Afghanistan and Iran (the latter having nothing to do with Al-Quaida or the attacks on 9/11), it should be obvious that at least from the political side there is/was a hidden agenda:

- Conspiracy theory view: Some buildings were demolished. Politics seizes the opportunity to pass surveillance laws and start two wars.

- Non-conspiracy view: Some terrorist attack event happened (but every actuary can give you estimates on how often such an event is to be expected, so nothing surprising here), so politics seized the opportunity to pass surveillance laws and start two wars.

The only difference between these perspectives is what happened the three towers and some part of the Pentagon building to collapse.

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