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The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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I gave up, bought a kobo libra2 that never saw an internet connection (you can find updated firmware online to download) and now just borrow epubs in the soulseek library.

I also just brought the cheapest oldest b&w model kobo reader still on sale and put epubs on it. Haven’t even updated the OS. Just works. Sweet.

That works for the books you copy over, but those that come from Kobo will be downloaded as part of a sync that also does updates.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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A lot of comments very dismissive of anything "print on demand". As an author of a niche book in both hard/soft, I chose Lightning Source/Ingram because they produce quality books. At that time (2012) I could have gone the "easy" route and used Amazon but even then there were complaints about quality. I've received quite a few compliments about the physical quality of my book, primarily the paper back edition which I…

I don't think POD is the problem either, as there's another comment here that they're seeing non-POD books with the same quality (or lack thereof). It's the printers they're using.

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Based on another HN thread today I was looking at Charles Petzold's book Code and noticed a lot of the recent reviews complain that most of the images are completely missing from the latest printings of this expensive book, rendering it worthless.

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/073560505X

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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This is partially why I don't buy print books anymore, unless I have no other choice (like random region restrictions on ebooks I want to read). Sadly, I'm completely locked into the Amazon ecosystem for ebooks, but at least there I know what I'm getting.

I converted all my Amazon purchased books with Calibre and now read them using a Boox Go 7 - between that and Standard Ebooks I’m probably set for life.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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I like to buy books and would never buy from Amazon. Haven't for a long time for many reasons. I find it more enjoyable to browse a local bookshop or charity shop and, if I want to buy something specific online I'll go with bookshop.org.

Bookshop.org will also pair with local book stores and share some profits. Win-win It’s ironic that in the 90s, we were warning about large retailers like Barnes and Noble pushing out smaller shops. Now we’re nostalgic for that experience also. Amazon has truly ruined many things. We traded so much for the cheap convenience of fast shipping and a few dollars off.

> We traded so much for the cheap convenience of fast shipping and a few dollars off.

There's more to it than that. The fast shipping and a few dollars off was a good deal.

But modern Amazon no longer offers fast shipping or a few dollars off. And, separately, they've stopped being willing to provide an amount of packaging that prevents your items from being damaged in transit. They're betting that having provided a good service in the past means they never have to bother in the future.

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Buy second hand books if you can: wider selection, good for the environment, lower price (usually), supports small businesses (usually).

Not sure how feasible this is for new publications, but yes, absolutely buy second hand. I have a fairly large stack of yet to be read books gifted to me by people cleaning up book shelves, as well as large number of books from second hands store. Most of these books are printed before 1990, so I know that no AI was involved, they are normally hardcovers, as those survive better, or are at least taken better care of.…

I will add that using eBay and ThriftBooks, it's super easy to get your hands on used books even if you're in an area without a large bookstore.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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It's not just Amazon. I bought a copy of an ARM assembly book from a proper bookseller (Blackwells) which was a proper hardback for a high price--something like £80, and I received a print-on-demand mess with a hardcover. The print was there but barely legible, a dotty mess which gave me a headache. I returned it. I can see print-on-demand working very well, but not until the quality issues are sorted out. Being char…

Yes, this.

Even hardcover books from "real publishers" have arrived with low print quality. The most common problem book-printing problems I have a real problem with today are

  1. text that is gray (not black) and
  2. text that is dotted (not solid)
I have, 20, 40, and 100+ year old books with phenomenal "solid black text", and they are an absolute pleasure to feast the eyes on. But more importantly, they are not so irritatingly bad while reading them that the bad presentation entirely and unavoidably distracts from the quick and enjoyable consumption of the content itself!

If you ask me, the following checkboxes should be standard ratings on all books sold:

  [ ] "solid, black text"
  [ ] "acid-free paper"
  [ ] 
Everything else comes after knowing these aspects in my opinion. I guess these would require numeric, measured scores, too, with the binary checkboxes indicating some minimum threshold is surpassed. There are other important factors, too, of course, but getting basic text color and text character solidness is number one, easily.

Related, I used to buy 3rd party black laser printer toner that was guaranteed and warrantied to be made to OEM spec. It never, ever was, no matter how many returns/replacements/retries/print-settings-adjustments/other-part-replacements. Always gray text, always. Buying actual OEM black toner reliably results in (close enough to) jet black text. It costs more, but it's the only way to be sure for self-printed materials AFAIAA.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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This article really resonates with me and I'm somewhat relieved to see someone else feels the same way. I love physical books for general reading and will often buy both physical and ebook format for technical books to get the best of both worlds. I now cannot stand print-on-demand books and, like the author, I can spot them very quickly. The quality is abysmal, and I might as well be printing them myself at that poi…

Is there a way to filter out such books when you browse Amazon? They should at least tell you it's an "on-demand" printed book before you order?

Why not just go to a better online seller? One of the books mentioned:

https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-problems-of-philosophy-warb...

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