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Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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post #38

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It's designed for parents to enact parental controls on their children. If you're root, you're the parent. Obviously root can turn off parental controls.

I wouldn't be so sure, I think the ultimate goal is to link your network activity to your government id, just like the way it's done in China. So the only root left is the government basically.

Are we talking about what actually happened, or are we talking about doomsday fantasies?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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post #49

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If the solution consists on me and my children sacrificing our privacy then I'm sorry, but I don't care about other people's children getting groomed. Your child, your responsibility, prepare him better for the world or throw the god damn phone to the trash, but please leave me alone. I had more sympathy for parents with this problem before, but not anymore. If they don't respect my rights, I don't see why I should c…

Other people’s kids aren’t your problem until they grow up and form a deeply unfit electorate and their country, representing less than 5% of the world population, makes an absolute mess of everything. Then they become everyone’s problem.

So the last 40 years?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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I adore their courage. I assume they feel prepared to mount a legal defense? It would seem silly to be this forward about willful noncompliance if they're just hoping to stay under the radar. I can't tell if this is driven by impulsive pettiness with no real plan for how to mount a legal defense, or if they're engaging in a clear-minded legal mission. > Ageless Linux is a registered operating system under the definit…

They seem to be ready for this: > Q: What if the AG actually fines you? > Then we will have accomplished something no amount of mailing list discussion could: a court record establishing what AB 1043 actually means when applied to the real world. Does "operating system provider" cover a bash script? Does "general purpose computing device" cover a Raspberry Pi Pico? Can you fine someone "per affected child" when no me…

Yep, the goal of civil disobedience is literally to get sued/charged/arrested in order to force the issue to be (hopefully) properly and publicly resolved.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

So, firstly, before I dive into your comment; about the topic above, this is the result of a terrible headline gone wrong in a single state in the US. The language never required any changes to Linux, or Windows, or any other operating system, for that matter.

Someone read the text, and made a clickbaity headline, and it went viral. then, another state made a similar bill, and it went viral again.Age verification isn't coming to Linux any time soon, and no, you aren't breaking any laws by either developing for, and/or using Linux if you are a U.S. citizen. It is literally illegal to pass a law like that thanks to the constitution. Outside the U.S.? well depending on the country, you likely experienced something better or worse, Regardless...

It is pretty remarkable that it [age verification] has popped up in multiple countries at once. It is almost as though a certain few billionaires are interested in suppressing speech.I wonder who those folks might be? ;)

The folks trying to shut down the masses via stuff like this should probably read some history, because that never works out...like ever. Doing the same thing over and over again won't make it work. It won't work this time either.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Different people observed the same problem at the same time, and came to similar conclusions about how to solve it.

We should not give these human rights violations the dignity of being called "solutions", especially as they are anything but.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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post #49

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If the solution consists on me and my children sacrificing our privacy then I'm sorry, but I don't care about other people's children getting groomed. Your child, your responsibility, prepare him better for the world or throw the god damn phone to the trash, but please leave me alone. I had more sympathy for parents with this problem before, but not anymore. If they don't respect my rights, I don't see why I should c…

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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post #64
post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

So, firstly, before I dive into your comment; about the topic above, this is the result of a terrible headline gone wrong in a single state in the US. The language never required any changes to Linux, or Windows, or any other operating system, for that matter. Someone read the text, and made a clickbaity headline, and it went viral. then, another state made a similar bill, and it went viral again.Age verification isn…

I've looked at the bill and it sure seems like it would apply to Linux. What's your case that it doesn't?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Average Joe thinks age verification is already palatable. Average Joe is happy to give away a photo of his ID. The alternative to OS age attestation isn't no age verification. It's almost every site, and every piece of internet-connected software, demanding your ID. Putting your age into your user account is not the same thing.

> Average Joe is happy to give away a photo of his ID. I don't think this is actually true. Discord walked back its implementation of global age verification for now because it was protested so heavily. Governments can get away with mandating ID for porn sites and Average Joe will not make a ruckus about it because it's a shameful/embarrassing topic they would rather sweep under the rug, but I don't think Average Joe…

Discord's still doing it, they just delayed it and will supposedly be offering other verification options. They still amount to identity verification, and the noose will be tightened over time.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

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I don’t think software downloads, even downloads of software we might find objectionable, can be considered to be something that is engaging in “grooming.”

That’s simply not what that word means.

If your child takes interest in something you don’t like that they found online, they weren’t inherently groomed by anyone into liking it.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

#70

Age checks are 1 million times worse than cookie verifications.

That's interesting that you think whether someone is over 18 is a million times worse privacy invasion than their exact location, full name, browsing history, and date of birth. Can you substantiate why that is?
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