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The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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The 90s aren't coming back to publishing. The audience who reads multiple books a month is going the way of the classical symphony attendee.

The opera, symphony, and ballet sell out every performance where I live. Me, my friends, wife, etc all read multiple books per month. To me it feels like the problem is in the supply-side - there's just endless content being constantly published - more than could ever be read.

> more than could ever be read

by a human...

Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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Interesting history but what's going on now is so crazy as a reader. Amazon kindle publishes 7500 new books daily. There's no longer gatekeepers like in the article. About two years ago I was searching for a new sci-fi book to read - I routinely rotate genres. I did my research in goodreads and started reading a trilogy that was highly rated. Holy crap it was so bad a quit about halfway through the second book. I wen…

I don't think he's talking about "gatekeepers" per se, I think he's talking about the publishing model being incomprehensible if you're in it.

I think the old publishing model is dying. self-publishing is routing around it.

As a reader, it is sort of amazing. I've been reading more than I ever have before in my life.

If I like a book, I can read the next in the series, and there's a good chance there are 8 other books in the series. When I was younger, scifi novels would rarely have follow-on books, and if they did, maybe max 3 at that.

The hard one for me is continuing a book after I see a typo.

Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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I never know how to engage with these kind of discussions, where "literary culture" includes only a narrow subset of the books that are published and read.

The author posts a collage of litfic novel covers and wonders why they're all so similar, but to me the answer seems obvious: litfic is a genre, whether its devotees want to call it that or not, and so it needs a consistent visual language to guide people's eyes in increasingly genre-ified bookstores. He says "every title I see" is like this, but I strongly suspect he'd agree that this is only true because he spots the romantasy section from a mile away and averts his eyes before he has to learn anything about the adventures of Violet Sorrengail.

Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody takes Product Hunt seriously now. That's putting it mildly. I'm not normally about doing this sort of thing, but I went out of my way to find and install an extension to block google results for producthunt and alternative.to specifically.

Was Product Hunt ever taken seriously by anyone? Since day1 it was an obvious target for influence hacking

In some domains a big Product Hunt launch was a serious achievement. VCs would look at it, journalists would take notice, and you’d get a little burst of signups from a user base known to have a lot of influencers.

Everyone knew it was gamed a little, but there was some organic traffic.

Then it steadily got worse and worse until the front page was just random products that nobody actually used.

Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Influencers, and people with zero talent, but who have a public audience, are the new target for publishers, so expect a fuck-tonne more rubbish to be pushed by the usual channels and algorithms. This is not a good time to be an indie author (I should know) writing the book is only the start of the journey, if you want people to now read it you have to fight a system dead set against your success. Word of mouth event…

What about finding indie authors on traditional recommendation systems such as Gnod?[0] The less utilized and forgotten parts of the internet are probably a good set of places to push. [0] https://www.gnod.com/

I'm always on the hunt for good reads (hah). I just tried gnod with K. J. Parker, Ishiguro and Iain M. Banks. The recommendations were Alighieri (Dante), Cervantes, some more 17th century authors and Tom Holt, who is K. J. Parker and the last rec was K. J. Parker. Complete fail.

Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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Interesting history but what's going on now is so crazy as a reader. Amazon kindle publishes 7500 new books daily. There's no longer gatekeepers like in the article. About two years ago I was searching for a new sci-fi book to read - I routinely rotate genres. I did my research in goodreads and started reading a trilogy that was highly rated. Holy crap it was so bad a quit about halfway through the second book. I wen…

Publishers served a really valuable purpose of curation and keeping good authors productive. Now we have the double whammy of a consolidated publishing system pumping out whatever James Patterson’s assistants churn out and and a long tail of drivel, both AI and regular slop.

And to make this worse: these days even the blurb are written by LLMs, some of them pure word salad. Just last week I left comments with two authors to see to it that the blurb at least resembles English even if the content still doesn't make sense. We're being completely dehumanised and treated like NPCs, just a lubricant to keep the machine going.

Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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As somebody whose first book came out last month from a (very) small indie press... yeah. In trad publishing, once you've got an agent (not an insignificant step), you only have a handful of shots at the Big Five publishers with your manuscript. If they don't want it? It's small press or self-pub, and good luck getting your book above the sea of mediocrity. The novel I've got out is urban fantasy, but what I _really_…

Urban fantasy is my jam, what's your book?

Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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As somebody whose first book came out last month from a (very) small indie press... yeah. In trad publishing, once you've got an agent (not an insignificant step), you only have a handful of shots at the Big Five publishers with your manuscript. If they don't want it? It's small press or self-pub, and good luck getting your book above the sea of mediocrity. The novel I've got out is urban fantasy, but what I _really_…

Please post your books here, rough draft / advance copies welcome, I'd love to read more things from the tiny subset of people who contribute to interesting topics like this on HN

https://rznicolet.com/books/the-cloak-and-its-wizard/

Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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Interesting history but what's going on now is so crazy as a reader. Amazon kindle publishes 7500 new books daily. There's no longer gatekeepers like in the article. About two years ago I was searching for a new sci-fi book to read - I routinely rotate genres. I did my research in goodreads and started reading a trilogy that was highly rated. Holy crap it was so bad a quit about halfway through the second book. I wen…

I recommend actual human reviewers who you can stick with over time and who do not just say that a book is good or bad but something about why. Those don’t have to be professional reviewers, they can just be people you know or follow who talk about what they read.

Looking at award shortlists and nomination lists is also a good filter providing you know a little about the award (I wouldn’t go to the Clarke Award shortlist for mil sf stuff, for example).

Re: The stagnancy of publishing and the disappearance of the midlist

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One medium where this isn’t really true is video games. Why hasn’t Steam or Itch fallen in this trap? Because they are honest stewards? Or because the software plane isn’t as large? Only news publishing and written word and movies. In fact movies even have a set number of prestige “risk” directors so they never have to reach too far out of the norm, see Yorgos Lanthimos.

The article doesn't apply to Steam because Steam is a marketplace, not a publisher. Valve takes on no financial risk in accepting a new game into Steam. And there has been a fair bit of consolidation going on among publishers. IIRC there are only about a dozen giant corporations left that finance AAA games and they have been losing appetite for risk over the past year, cancelling many games in development and shutter…

But even if Microsoft buys out all the major studios, and Nintendo and Sony, there would still be a healthy counter-culture indie market, which is what the article discusses as a solution to the crisis in the other mediums. So again what makes video games special that it can nurture a healthy market across many (locked-in even) platforms? Arguably it might be the many available distribution channels (miniclip.com vs Steam vs Itch vs random website).
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