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Jensen Huang says Nvidia is pulling back from OpenAI and Anthropic

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Re: Jensen Huang says Nvidia is pulling back from OpenAI and Anthropic

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It is insanely stupid that '4B' with a B, is 'too small' of an operating space.

The absolute value is irrelevant - it's the opportunity cost that determines this. It doesn't matter if the consumer market is 4T, if the AI market is 60T!

One strategic reason is to remove oxygen from competitors. Otherwise someone will scoop up the gaming market and put the proceeds into developing technology to compete with NVIDIA in the more lucrative AI space.

Re: Jensen Huang says Nvidia is pulling back from OpenAI and Anthropic

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Nvidia could flip a switch and start competing with former customers. They have the talent, the models, the HW, and they know how to quickly build out DCs.

Competing with your own customers is not a good idea, especially before the bubble pops.

Re: Jensen Huang says Nvidia is pulling back from OpenAI and Anthropic

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The absolute value is irrelevant - it's the opportunity cost that determines this. It doesn't matter if the consumer market is 4T, if the AI market is 60T!

“I wouldn’t pick up $20 if there was $100 on the ground!” Most people would pick up both. These economic proclamations don’t seem to make sense, when applied to different contexts — which suggests what you’re saying might be folk wisdom rather than sound theory (and greatly over simplifying the problem). You’re also discounting ecosystem effects — gaming GPUs driving demand for datacenter and workstation GPUs as hobb…

> “I wouldn’t pick up $20 if there was $100 on the ground!” Most people would pick up both.

No, it’s more like there’s a massive pile of both $20s and $100s on the ground. You wouldn’t waste time running between the two, you’d focus on the $100s

Re: Jensen Huang says Nvidia is pulling back from OpenAI and Anthropic

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And why should a business do that? Limited chip production capacity be spent on most profitable ventures.

If I were Nvidia, I would give more attention to consumer GPUs to hedge my bets. When (not if) this AI bubble pops, their AI customers will become worthless to them very quickly as they won't be buying more GPUs. And when that day comes, I would want to still have consumers to sell to, rather than have them all buying from AMD because I ignored them.

the only way this argument works is if AMD somehow creates GPUs that run circles around nvidia and boxes them out price wise, and at the same them themselves don’t start prioritizing enterprise customers more. otherwise consumers will choose the best performing gpu possible, generally people don’t care about companies turning their backs on consumers in this way

Re: Jensen Huang says Nvidia is pulling back from OpenAI and Anthropic

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5 billion doesn't look like much when OpenAI just raised $110b though. And how sustainable is NVDA's immense profits if this bubble actually bursts?

> 5 billion doesn't look like much when OpenAI just raised $110b though. Just about all of the AI providers "raises" are a fraction of the reported "raise", like this one. They didn't "raise" $100b. They got commitments for $35b, with said commitments being dependent on meeting certain criteria. Every "raise of $FOO" I've seen in the past year or two has not resulted in them getting their hands on $FOO in cash to spe…

You might be surprised to learn that there isn’t even $100b of cash [1]. Some sort of commitment structure necessarily substitutes.

[1]: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/USDIVCA

Re: Jensen Huang says Nvidia is pulling back from OpenAI and Anthropic

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The absolute value is irrelevant - it's the opportunity cost that determines this. It doesn't matter if the consumer market is 4T, if the AI market is 60T!

One strategic reason is to remove oxygen from competitors. Otherwise someone will scoop up the gaming market and put the proceeds into developing technology to compete with NVIDIA in the more lucrative AI space.

I wonder who is going to fill the gaming market if AI market focused companies would simply outbid them during manufacturing? All available and not yet available manufacture is pivoting to AI market

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As long as both companies remain stable and viable, there's probably limited upside to pouring more money into them. If they fail, and bring down the AI ecosystem with them, that is very bad news for Nvidia. So they've been there nurturing their success and providing capital to backstop their exponential growth. You can see Nvidia stepping in throughout the ecosystem with confidence boosting investments where needed.…

Agreed. I will add NV has product dominance - they don’t need to buy strategic MFN supplier status - why not deploy capital elsewhere?

Re: Jensen Huang says Nvidia is pulling back from OpenAI and Anthropic

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> Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang said his company’s recent investments in OpenAI and Anthropic are likely to be its last in both, saying that once they go public as anticipated later this year, the opportunity to invest closes ok, sounds obvious > Nvidia, for its part, isn’t offering much more on the matter ok, so no more news from nvidia > Still, a few other dynamics might also explain the pullback.. Wait it's a pullback?…

Almost all reporting is terrible. But yes, this is terrible reporting.
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