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US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
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Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only realistic way to "bear the cost" of CO2 emissions is paying for getting atmospheric carbon back into the ground. Right now that seems difficult to do at scale. The best way I know is making charcoal and burying it. Offsetting 1kWh needs on the order of 200g of wood turned into charcoal and buried.
Making charcoal releases CO2 though? How does that help with carbon capture?
You don't HAVE to make it into charcoal, but it will take up way more volume if you don't and contains tons of volatiles like methane that will come out and may make the ground less stable to simply bury with dirt as it partially rots.
Theoretically you could harness some of those volatiles for some energy production, but at the very least use those volatiles to heat the wood and make it charcoal for basically free.
Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
#63Does it include externalities (co2 emissions)? Increasing natural gas generation is of course disastrous policy with a major death toll from the climate disaster, there needs to be a rampdown of fossils use and production.
There are no such things as CO2 emissions in this administration. Your AI chatbots will be powered by clean coal and you'll enjoy it!
/s this guy gets it. Thank you, finally speaking my language
Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would adding a new supplier to the market cause the price of power to go up?
Because on-site powerplants owned by datacenter operators are not "just another supplier". The threat is: This "datacenter power" disincentives buildout of "free" powerplants (by eating up significant demand at very low margins thanks to basically vertical integration); this slows down buildout of "normal" infrastructure (possibly both grid connectivity and power), and the electrical energy market becomes worse for c…
Not to mention the danger of energy production, even nuclear, becoming resource-constrained to the point where datacenter power plants leave no room for municipal plants. We're seeing it happen with consumer hardware; make no mistake on who will get preference.
Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
#65It feels like ordinary people are becoming increasingly unnecessary. With AI, data centers, and big corporations, they don’t really need ordinary people anymore apart from their own employees. Capitalists only need robots and artificial intelligence to serve them, and ordinary people could just be put in zoos for display.
Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
#66It feels like ordinary people are becoming increasingly unnecessary. With AI, data centers, and big corporations, they don’t really need ordinary people anymore apart from their own employees. Capitalists only need robots and artificial intelligence to serve them, and ordinary people could just be put in zoos for display.
>Capitalists only need robots and artificial intelligence to serve them
That doesn't make sense because robots and AI won't have money to buy goods and services.
Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
#67I've read so many of these pledges before.... tl'dr: no, they won't
Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
#68oh well if they pledge it's okay then!
Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
#69It feels like ordinary people are becoming increasingly unnecessary. With AI, data centers, and big corporations, they don’t really need ordinary people anymore apart from their own employees. Capitalists only need robots and artificial intelligence to serve them, and ordinary people could just be put in zoos for display.
>Capitalists only need robots and artificial intelligence to serve them That doesn't make sense because robots and AI won't have money to buy goods and services.
True but they will focus their market on the every enriching 0.1% that will have all the money.
Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters
#70Does it include externalities (co2 emissions)? Increasing natural gas generation is of course disastrous policy with a major death toll from the climate disaster, there needs to be a rampdown of fossils use and production.
There are no such things as CO2 emissions in this administration. Your AI chatbots will be powered by clean coal and you'll enjoy it!
They have a cute mascot, so it can't be that bad: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/meet-coal...
Actually, the tweet quoted in the article is firmly in the "you can't make this $%&/ up" category...