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CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements
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#62Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements
#63Duh, what do you think we were building for the last 10 years? Does anyone with two brain cells think that corporate surveillance wasn't going to be co-opted by authoritarianism? The only people who didn't understand this were either delusional or being paid not to.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this point, your device is not giving anyone your location without explicit permission. So it really just comes down to your IP Address, which services do need.
I think your is statement is inaccurate to the point of being intentionally misleading: Many devices, when running, and in some cases even if turned off but connected to their battery, will ping cell towers (maybe even BLE/Wifi) and get triangulated by the network infrastructure (such as cell towers) without actively broadcasting the GPS location. That's why I don't quite understand why the gubernment needs to have f…
Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements
#65Duh, what do you think we were building for the last 10 years? Does anyone with two brain cells think that corporate surveillance wasn't going to be co-opted by authoritarianism? The only people who didn't understand this were either delusional or being paid not to.
I’m not sure that’s fair, the majority of the American population are pretty dumb due to the poor education system. Most weren’t alive for WW2 so they’ve not come very close to an authoritarian threat in the past either.
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#66Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements
#67Is this something European style privacy laws would protect against? Though given the US political situation we are far from being able to enact any kind of anti-authoritarian protections...
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#68I work with Ad Data a lot in my job, and there's a lot of misconceptions about what this data that journalists love to propogate: The location data in these networks is very inaccurate. Your OS and browser actually do a pretty good job of locking down your location data unless you give explicit permission. It's in the ad network's interests to lie about the quality of their data - so a lot of the "location" data is g…
Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements
#69Is this something European style privacy laws would protect against? Though given the US political situation we are far from being able to enact any kind of anti-authoritarian protections...
The issue here isn’t simply “lack of privacy law.” It’s:
1. apps collecting precise location data in the first place,
2. adtech infrastructure broadcasting that data through RTB,
3. brokers aggregating and reselling it,
4. government agencies buying it to avoid the constraints that would apply if they tried to collect it directly, and
5. regulators failing to stop any of the above in a meaningful way.
European law is relevant to some of that, but not as a magic shield. GDPR and ePrivacy principles are obviously more restrictive on paper than the US free-for-all, especially around consent, purpose limitation, data minimization, and downstream reuse. But “on paper” is doing a lot of work there. Europe has had years of complaints about RTB specifically, and yet the adtech ecosystem did not exactly disappear. That should tell you something.
So the real answer is: yes, a stronger privacy regime can help, but no, this is not a problem that gets solved by vaguely importing “European-style privacy laws” as a concept. If the underlying business model still allows mass collection, opaque sharing, and resale of location data, then state access is a policy choice away. Governments don’t need to build a panopticon if the commercial sector already did it for them.
Also, the most important legal question here is not just whether private companies should be allowed to collect/sell this data. It’s whether the government should be allowed to buy commercially available data to do an end-run around constitutional and statutory limits. That is a distinct issue. You need rules for both the commercial market and state procurement, otherwise the state just shops where the Fourth Amendment doesn’t reach.
In other words, the contrast is not “Europe = protected, US = authoritarian.” The contrast is between systems that at least attempt to constrain collection and reuse, and systems that let surveillance markets mature first and ask questions later. Even in Europe, enforcement gaps, law-enforcement carveouts, and institutional incentives matter enormously.
So if the goal is to understand the story, the useful question isn’t “would Europe stop this?” It’s “what combination of collection limits, resale bans, procurement bans, audit requirements, and enforcement would actually make this impossible in practice?” Anything short of that is mostly aesthetics.
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#70That's Scroogled (2007) by Cory Doctorow! Life imitates art, again. https://web.archive.org/web/20070920193501/http://www.radaro...