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Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 »

Hikikomori wrote: post #54
aliljet wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you even pull away from a Gmail address? I'm nearly twenty years into that service. Getting banned would be absolutely devastating...

Just have to get started and suffer for a while and make it a practice to switch emails when you log into places. I switched to fastmail with my own domain.

I went with SimpleLogin.

Although I am increasingly concerned with its longevity since there's a non-zero risk that Proton might shut down SimpleLogin since Proton Pass has its own alias feature.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by jijji »

cube00 wrote: post #6

Over the past week, A week? Try at least 16 days https://discuss.ai.google.dev/t/account-restricted-without-w... The danger here is they'll ban you with no specific reason, fill out the form and you get an automatic unban and then something else automatically flags and you're banned the second time permanently. Support bot will then say "you were warned, read the TOS" and you get to guess what you did wrong. You'll n…

Google has zero customer service. using them for anything serious makes no business sense. the only thing that they're good for is serving ads to people, and they have a support team for that, but only if you're spending a lot of money, and even then good luck finding it

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by exitb »

n8m8 wrote: post #37
exitb wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a 3rd party product advertises compatibility with a Google service and you use it to login via a first party Google login page, doesn’t the responsibility fall somewhere between the offending product and Google itself? In practice it’s structured pretty much like a phishing attempt. Notably some model providers explicitly allow that very flow, while others will ban you without notice.

If the "3rd party product" is you selfhosting FOSS, then that's you (OpenClaw users)

Why do you call it self-hosting? It appears to be installable app with a fancy homepage. At what point does the software being covered by an open license changes the responsibility model?

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Post by nottorp »

HardCodedBias wrote: post #36
koolba wrote: post #8

Way too risky to use Google services like this tied to your primary account. There’s too much risk of cross damage. Imagine losing access to your Gmail because some Gemini request flags you as an undesirable. The digital death sentence of losing access to your email with a company that notoriously has no way for the average human to contact a human is not worth the risk.

AFAIK it has clearly been a ban of Gemini and not of all people's Google accounts. However many stories appeared where people tried to claim that their whole Google account was banned to gain traction. Unless it is clear that a full Google account has been banned we should push back on any story that claims this.

Why? Google has been doing automated bans for ages, even before "AI".

By now they lost any trace of goodwill they ever had and are guilty until proven innocent.

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Post by writeslowly »

It’s interesting that with both Anthropic and Google we’re seeing them develop agentic models that are supposed to do anything a human can do on computers without human intervention, but at the same time, if you plug one program into another of their programs or APIs in a way that wasn’t preapproved you may be blocked or banned.

To be charitable, maybe they’re expecting AI agents to eventually start reading the ToS docs

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Post by nottorp »

gruez wrote: post #49
jascha_eng wrote: post #5

I still kinda wish that the subscriptions would just allow you to use the tokens however you wish. I get that they rely on people not using all of their quota. But e.g. with open code it doesn't really matter if I use antigravity or gemini-cli the usage should be about the same. What they are actually trying to force you to do is to pay for the tokens that you don't use in their applications to increase their revenue…

>I still kinda wish that the subscriptions would just allow you to use the tokens however you wish. I get that they rely on people not using all of their quota. But e.g. with open code it doesn't really matter if I use antigravity or gemini-cli the usage should be about the same. This is almost as realistic as "I wish netflix or youtube allowed me to use VLC to watch their content".

Haha maybe that would reduce piracy.

The easiest way to watch a movie in the player of my choice - even if i have legal access to it because it's in my netflix subscription - is to download it off piratebay.

Add to that Netflix's shitty discovery system, I'm pretty sure I watched some downloaded movies in spite of actually having legal access to them.

Oh, remember when PC games used to come on disks? For the Netflix example I can only guess, but I'm 100% sure I downloaded isos for games I had actually bought and had the physical disc... somewhere.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by gmerc »

aliljet wrote: post #45
tjoff wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use a custom domain and don't use google for email. And if you do use your gmail address just forward it and start to transition to something else. With time everything of importance has been transferred.

How do you even pull away from a Gmail address? I'm nearly twenty years into that service. Getting banned would be absolutely devastating...

took about 30 minutes to switch to proton mail

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by pocksuppet »

oofbey wrote: post #43
MiscIdeaMaker99 wrote: post #32

I feel dumb. I've never heard of Antigravity until now.

Welcome to the singularity, now in progress. One of its defining features is that things move too fast for people to keep up.

By this logic though JavaScript frameworks were the singularity

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

koolba wrote: post #8

Way too risky to use Google services like this tied to your primary account. There’s too much risk of cross damage. Imagine losing access to your Gmail because some Gemini request flags you as an undesirable. The digital death sentence of losing access to your email with a company that notoriously has no way for the average human to contact a human is not worth the risk.

It's not 100% clear to me, but supposedly it was just access to Antigravity that was shut off.

If people lost access to their whole accounts that would be a major crisis for Google users. But it doesn't seem that that was actually the case.

This doesn't make it super clear, but, the submission from a week ago when bans got handed out: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47115805

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Post by oofbey »

pocksuppet wrote: post #68
oofbey wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the singularity, now in progress. One of its defining features is that things move too fast for people to keep up.

By this logic though JavaScript frameworks were the singularity

lol. True. I guess the difference is “things that matter to technological progress” move too fast to keep up.
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