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Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by jt2190 »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

Settings > Apps > Safari > Reading List: Automatically Save Offline

“Save webpages to read later in Safari on iPhone” https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/save-pages-to-a-readi...

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by [deleted] »

goalieca wrote: post #49
mosura wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Memory uses power, this is a major factor in why aggressively stopping things helps. There is a strong argument modern mobile goes too far for this.

With dram, you have to refresh every cell within a periodic interval. Usually this is handled in hardware. It would be a crazy optimization if unused pages weren’t refreshed. There would have to be a decent amount of circuitry to decide that.

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Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by mcdeltat »

bakugo wrote: post #58
canthonytucci wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like my 3GS was way better about resuming where I left off than any fancy new iPhone I’ve had in the past few years. Big name apps like Facebook, YouTube, Apple Music, Apple Podcasts seem totally disinterred in preserving my place. YouTube being the worst where I often stack a bunch of videos in queue, pause to do something else for a while and when I return to the app the queue has been purged.

I feel like this might be intentional to a certain degree, at least on YouTube or Facebook. If you switched off the app while looking at a certain post or watching a certain video, that's a negative engagement indicator, so the app wants to throw you back into the algorithmic feed to show you something new instead.

Conveniently, if you're watching a youtube video with an ad, switch apps and youtube reloads, you have to watch the ad again

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by inigyou »

torben-friis wrote: post #21

The latest phone reviews have been eyebrow raising. The just announced pixel is the same phone as last year. I know it sounds like a usual complaint, but look at the actual specs, it literally is the same phone with differences so small that hey might have passed as regional variance. As for the Samsung, the screen can darken when looked from the side for privacy. That’s pretty much it. Price increased though. Couple…

OSes have been in decline for a long time. This memory price is just a blip, though. These supply and demand shocks happen periodically and always return to normal.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by torben-friis »

vessenes wrote: post #55
walterbell wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upcoming Apple display mounted to wall or robot arm is rumored to have audio interface and new OS without 3rd-party apps, only "AI". Jony Ive at OpenAI is rumored to have smart speaker, pendant, pen and bone-conducting headset in the launch pipeline. Audio interfaces, no screens, Meta is selling millions of smart glasses, with Apple and others following. If the memory market was not distorted, home AI + agents + open…

I'd love a working bone conduction headset. Also a subvocalization to agent thingy that worked.

I’d love a 2015 input system that worked, but my iPhone’s keyboard prediction has been broken for like a year.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by locusofself »

walterbell wrote: post #43
torben-friis wrote: post #21

The latest phone reviews have been eyebrow raising. The just announced pixel is the same phone as last year. I know it sounds like a usual complaint, but look at the actual specs, it literally is the same phone with differences so small that hey might have passed as regional variance. As for the Samsung, the screen can darken when looked from the side for privacy. That’s pretty much it. Price increased though. Couple…

Upcoming Apple display mounted to wall or robot arm is rumored to have audio interface and new OS without 3rd-party apps, only "AI". Jony Ive at OpenAI is rumored to have smart speaker, pendant, pen and bone-conducting headset in the launch pipeline. Audio interfaces, no screens, Meta is selling millions of smart glasses, with Apple and others following. If the memory market was not distorted, home AI + agents + open…

when you say "audio interface" I assume you mean like, "Hey Siri" and not an audio interface as in recording device, right?

So we are talking about a HomePod with a screen, or like one of those Meta "Portal" things?

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by drnick1 »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #7

I recently upgraded from the Pixel 7 to the 10. Nothing but regret - the phone isn't worse, but it's not better either, and I had to reinstall everything. Why did I do this?

Pixels only make sense if you are going to install Graphene. The Google OS is bloated with spyware.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by inigyou »

MadameMinty wrote: post #48
darthoctopus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is that not going to happen next time? Because this shortage isn't natural, it's the result of OpenAI flexing monopsony power to deprive everyone else for its strategic gain. Unlike an organic shortage, there is no compelling reason for otherwise excess capacity to be built, since this artificial shortage can end as arbitrarily as it started.

The datacenters are still going to be built, and their usage won't suddenly fall just because the companies behind some of the products on them suddenly lose value. The demand is not tied to their profits, so I find it unlikely for the shortage to just end.

These data center projects are losing hundreds of billions of dollars which they don't have, and some evidence is starring to come out they're just money laundering schemes to get money from the government to contractors. I wouldn't bet on them all being built.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by inigyou »

drnick1 wrote: post #67
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #7

I recently upgraded from the Pixel 7 to the 10. Nothing but regret - the phone isn't worse, but it's not better either, and I had to reinstall everything. Why did I do this?

Pixels only make sense if you are going to install Graphene. The Google OS is bloated with spyware.

On a Pixel phone you have only Google spyware. On another brand's phone you have all the same Google spyware, plus the spyware from that brand and a permanently locked bootloader.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by inigyou »

vessenes wrote: post #3

Meanwhile Apple iPhone sales were up 23% YoY end of last year. It'll likely be a good year for Apple, with a little more room in margin to make some plays, and a lottt of cash.

That was last year when the DRAM price crisis hadn't happened yet...
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