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Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by rockskon »

margalabargala wrote: post #32
jjmarr wrote: post #22

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When movies first came out they would film random stuff because it was cool to see a train moving directly at you. The novelty didn't wear off for years .

There was something someone said in a comment here, years and years ago (pre AI), which has stuck with me. Paraphrased, "There's basically no business in the Western world that wouldn't come out ahead with a competent software engineer working for $15 an hour". Once agents, or now claws I guess, get another year of development under them they will be everywhere. People will have the novelty of "make me a website. Mak…

It's always a year® away. The amazing AI capability is "just around the corner"©. It will replace jobs soon™.

How much longer do we have to put up with people saying this? It's been four years now.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by lich_king »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #60
vicchenai wrote: post #52

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The irony of this ai generated comment replying in defense of ai coding on hackernews. This entire vicchenai account has used llms to generate its entire comment history. What is the benefit to the owner of the account? What do they get out of this?

It's all this account posts. I don't think the LLM behind it will understand the irony.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by aforwardslash »

leptons wrote: post #40
aforwardslash wrote: post #19

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I'd take vibecoded iot code any day vs the typical hot mess of poorly written code by non-experts following online tutorials and the casual stackoverflow copy-paste :)

That's either very brave, or very foolish. Vibeslop is already well known for the security risks that come with it.

Yes, because human-made code is risk-free. I suggest you actually look at a codebase of a proprietary device before forming a proper opinion.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by jmull »

> The central promise—that distributed digital fabrication would bring manufacturing back to America, that every city would have micro-factories, that 3D printing would decentralize production—simply didn’t materialize.

I never heard that. It didn’t seem like 3D-printing ever showed sings of displacing existing ways of manufacturing at scale, did it? Units per hour and dollars per unit was never its strength. It was always going to be small things (and if anything big grew out of it, those would naturally transition to the more efficient manufacturing at scale).

Vibe coding, on the other hand, is competing against hand coding, and for many use cases is considerably more efficient. It’s clearly replacing a lot of hand coding.

BTW, I think a lot of people were/are greatly overestimating the value of coding to business success. It’s fungible from a macro perspective, so isn’t a moat by itself. There’s certainly a cost, but hardly the only one if you’re trying to be the next big startup (for that, the high cost of coding was useful — something to deter potential competitors; you’ll have to make up the difference in some other way now).

Also, software is something that already scaled really well in the way businesses need it to — code written once, whether by human or LLM, can be executed billions of times for almost nothing. Companies will be happy to have a way to press down the budget of a cost center, but the delta won’t make or break that many businesses.

As always, the people selling pick-axes during the gold rush will probably do the best.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by ilikehurdles »

lich_king wrote: post #62
ilikehurdles wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony of this ai generated comment replying in defense of ai coding on hackernews. This entire vicchenai account has used llms to generate its entire comment history. What is the benefit to the owner of the account? What do they get out of this?

It's all this account posts. I don't think the LLM behind it will understand the irony.

Sorry I shadow edited while you were replying. Restating my question - What is the benefit to the owner of the account? What do they get out of this?

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by tootubular »

james2doyle wrote: post #46
bool3max wrote: post #44

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You're absolutely right -- that's the crux of the problem. There are no shortcuts, only future liabilities.

> You're absolutely right Bot detected

But crucially they used "--" and not "—" which means they're safe. Unless it's learning. I may still be peeved that my beloved em dash has been tainted. :(

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by ge96 »

no it'll encourage more people to try new things

edit: I read this title wrong, thought it said "end the maker movement"

personally I enjoy creation and writing code so I'm not going to vibe code my hobby/passion project, I don't care if theoretically it'll save me x amount of time, the code is rote for me anyway but I have to be actively engaged in it to enjoy it

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by Conscat »

jmull wrote: post #64

> The central promise—that distributed digital fabrication would bring manufacturing back to America, that every city would have micro-factories, that 3D printing would decentralize production—simply didn’t materialize. I never heard that. It didn’t seem like 3D-printing ever showed sings of displacing existing ways of manufacturing at scale, did it? Units per hour and dollars per unit was never its strength. It was…

I was a kid at the time, but adults, magazines, and other children convinced me that 3D printing at home would likely replace a huge number of products. This included extremely optimistic speculation, like printers producing smart phones or houses. Then I dated a boy who used his 3D printer to substitute The Container Store at a higher cost with greater effort and lower quality, and that soured me on the concept.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by jvanderbot »

jmull wrote: post #64

> The central promise—that distributed digital fabrication would bring manufacturing back to America, that every city would have micro-factories, that 3D printing would decentralize production—simply didn’t materialize. I never heard that. It didn’t seem like 3D-printing ever showed sings of displacing existing ways of manufacturing at scale, did it? Units per hour and dollars per unit was never its strength. It was…

> It didn’t seem like 3D-printing ever showed sings of displacing existing ways of manufacturing at scale

No, it never seemed that way to the realists, but it was said to seem that way to the makerspheres.

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