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RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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Will this RAM shortage also affect the price of mobile phones?

Most base level smartphones are loss leaders and wouldn't be severely impacted and upper-tier smartphones tend to be priced at their true value. It's the mid-tier SKUs that get impacted.

Additonally, depending on which country you live in, telecom vendors reduce the upfront cost of the phone purchase and make up the difference via contracts.

Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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post #9

I think Europe should invest into manufacturing RAM. RAM isn't going anywhere, all of modern compute uses it. This would be an opportunity to create domestic supply of it.

Yup. The countries giving huge tax breaks to American corporations could start taxing them and use it to invest in RAM production

Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t Chinese manufacturers already expanding their capacity? Given that Samsung and SK Hynix have left that market in the pursuit of HBM4 chips, China is going to rule this market. At least that’s what analysts are saying.

Chinese manufacturers like CXMT face the same kinds of issues that Huawei faced in entering the EU market - the EU is clamping down on Chinese suppliers across their supply chain [0]. Where can CXMT and other Chinese players export when Japan, South Korea, much of ASEAN, India, much of North America, the EU, the UK, Australia, NZ, and parts of the Gulf have enacted or begun enacting trade barriers against Chinese exp…

Then those countries that didn't will have an advantage at selling their electronics to the world.

Or their consumers will enjoy cheap PC part prices. With possible gray zone re-export market.

Of course we could see retreat from global markets to mercantilism, but that has yet to fully happen.

Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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post #9

I think Europe should invest into manufacturing RAM. RAM isn't going anywhere, all of modern compute uses it. This would be an opportunity to create domestic supply of it.

Idea: Take the money that Germany promised to Intel if they build a state of the art fab. Instead, ask SK Hynix, Samsung, or Micron to build a DRAM fab in Germany.

Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

#67

Will this RAM shortage also affect the price of mobile phones?

The Verge had some good coverage about this, but TLDR: probably. Flagship phones may not raise in price to fully reflect it. They might cut costs elsewhere like keeping the same camera, or eat some of the cost increase in their margin.

https://www.theverge.com/tech/880812/ramageddon-ram-shortage...

They discussed it on the decoder podcast as well.

Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t Chinese manufacturers already expanding their capacity? Given that Samsung and SK Hynix have left that market in the pursuit of HBM4 chips, China is going to rule this market. At least that’s what analysts are saying.

Chinese manufacturers like CXMT face the same kinds of issues that Huawei faced in entering the EU market - the EU is clamping down on Chinese suppliers across their supply chain [0]. Where can CXMT and other Chinese players export when Japan, South Korea, much of ASEAN, India, much of North America, the EU, the UK, Australia, NZ, and parts of the Gulf have enacted or begun enacting trade barriers against Chinese exp…

That's a good point.

Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese manufacturers like CXMT face the same kinds of issues that Huawei faced in entering the EU market - the EU is clamping down on Chinese suppliers across their supply chain [0]. Where can CXMT and other Chinese players export when Japan, South Korea, much of ASEAN, India, much of North America, the EU, the UK, Australia, NZ, and parts of the Gulf have enacted or begun enacting trade barriers against Chinese exp…

Then those countries that didn't will have an advantage at selling their electronics to the world. Or their consumers will enjoy cheap PC part prices. With possible gray zone re-export market. Of course we could see retreat from global markets to mercantilism, but that has yet to fully happen.

Or China could stop antagonizing blocs like the EU through actions like solidifying ties with Russia [0][1][2], imposing rare earth export restrictions on the EU [3], and undermining EU institutions [4].

[0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/xi-putin-hail-tie...

[1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-president-xi-meet...

[2] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-calls-closer-defen...

[3] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/eu-steps-up-efforts-cut-...

[4] - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/ch...

Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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post #9

I think Europe should invest into manufacturing RAM. RAM isn't going anywhere, all of modern compute uses it. This would be an opportunity to create domestic supply of it.

> I think Europe should invest into manufacturing RAM ... This would be an opportunity to create domestic supply of it How? Most foundries across Asia and the US are being given subsidizes that outstrip those that the EU is providing, with the only mega-foundry project in Europe was canceled by Intel last year [0]. Additionally, much of the backend work like OSAT and packaging is done in ASEAN (especially Malaysia),…

Why are you overlooking European semiconductor champions? STMicroelectronics, Infineon Technologies, and NXP Semiconductors. All of them are skilled enough to build and operate a DRAM fab in Europe. A bunch of EU dev banks can lend the monies to get it built.
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