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The paternity issue should be easy to overcome with modern technology. There's really no reason the state shouldn't require a paternity test to ensure the accuracy of the state issued birth certificate.
Some states go the other way - if you (as the father, maybe the mother but that's pretty easy to verify I hear) sign the birth certificate you are the father (Maury) for all legal purposes even if you're not - wether knowingly or not.
Looking at marriage norms across the world actually suggests the opposite takeaway. What’s remarkable is how similar marriage norms are among people who had almost no historical contact with each other. Confucian marriage 2,000 years ago wasn’t that different from Christian marriage 100 years ago, despite those two cultures having almost nothing else in common.
When anthropologists identify societies with significantly different marriage norms, it’s always some random tribal society that never grew beyond a relatively small number of people and never developed civilization to speak of.
> One thing became abundantly clear: most people in the world don’t and have never lived like Europeans. Looking at marriage norms across the world actually suggests the opposite takeaway. What’s remarkable is how similar marriage norms are among people who had almost no historical contact with each other. Confucian marriage 2,000 years ago wasn’t that different from Christian marriage 100 years ago, despite those tw…
> For much of history, this complexity was invisible to Westerners. Northwestern Europeans assumed that their way of doing things, lifelong monogamous marriage sanctified by religion and nuclear families with male breadwinners, was the natural order. Hard to take this nonsense seriously. Northwest europe was christian and there are plenty of examples of non-monogamous marriages in the bible. > One thing became abunda…
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_patt...
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Some states go the other way - if you (as the father, maybe the mother but that's pretty easy to verify I hear) sign the birth certificate you are the father (Maury) for all legal purposes even if you're not - wether knowingly or not.
isn't that fraud?
most people in the world don’t and have never lived like Europeans Yeah, but, as it turns out with modern migration trends, the revealed preference is that they would want to, given an opportunity. Being European, I would also prefer to live like a European. Lifelong monogamy as a default and an almost universal ban on kin marriage seem to be solid contributors here. Also, I don't think the current remnants of hunter…
>> most people in the world don’t and have never lived like Europeans > Yeah, but, as it turns out with modern migration trends, the revealed preference is that they would want to, given an opportunity. Being European, I would also prefer to live like a European. The revealed preference is that they want to continue to live the same way, but to do it in European countries as they are nicer places to live. The problem…
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isn't that fraud?
The state doesn't care about fraud when it benefits the state (a man paying support vs the state paying benefits).
It's similar to how the justice system doesn't really care about justice, it cares about detailed and systematic applications of the laws, which sometimes coincides.
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The state doesn't care about fraud when it benefits the state (a man paying support vs the state paying benefits).
If it's fraud it's on the part of the mother (usually) - the state just wants a clean database to avoid complications; it doesn't actually care about truth . It's similar to how the justice system doesn't really care about justice, it cares about detailed and systematic applications of the laws, which sometimes coincides.
What it actually cares about is not having to pay CHIP, etc. Having a man who isn't the biological father paying for stuff means the state doesn't have to pay for services. They don't care at all beyond that.
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If it's fraud it's on the part of the mother (usually) - the state just wants a clean database to avoid complications; it doesn't actually care about truth . It's similar to how the justice system doesn't really care about justice, it cares about detailed and systematic applications of the laws, which sometimes coincides.
"the state just wants a clean database to avoid complications; it doesn't actually care about truth." What it actually cares about is not having to pay CHIP, etc. Having a man who isn't the biological father paying for stuff means the state doesn't have to pay for services. They don't care at all beyond that.
most people in the world don’t and have never lived like Europeans Yeah, but, as it turns out with modern migration trends, the revealed preference is that they would want to, given an opportunity. Being European, I would also prefer to live like a European. Lifelong monogamy as a default and an almost universal ban on kin marriage seem to be solid contributors here. Also, I don't think the current remnants of hunter…
>> most people in the world don’t and have never lived like Europeans > Yeah, but, as it turns out with modern migration trends, the revealed preference is that they would want to, given an opportunity. Being European, I would also prefer to live like a European. The revealed preference is that they want to continue to live the same way, but to do it in European countries as they are nicer places to live. The problem…
With a sprinkle of colonizing and ravaging those lesser places, my liege?