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VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The electric motorbike company (Verge Motorcycles) owned by the same people also has such bad accounting/paperwork that they could not find an auditor willing to give an opinion. https://yle.fi/a/74-20205916 (article in Finnish) "According to the auditor's report, no opinion was given on the company's financial statements because sufficient audit evidence was not available." The company claims to have a couple millio…

But the motorcycles do exist and use these batteries don’t they? Has no one bought one and torn it open yet?

They said "Available Today" on January 4th but have said actually customer deliveries are planned for April.

> “The first customer deliveries will probably take place in April. There are production-related issues, getting subcontractors involved. Starting production. A lot depends on the goods and officials.”

Translated from: https://web.archive.org/web/20260204130446/https://www.kaupp...

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Good to have a VTT report confirming the charging speeds, but the actual differentiator would be the energy density I guess, given that BYD has already proven https://volta.foundation/battery-report-2025/ pg. 161)

>BYD has already proven BYD needs to be heavily liquid cooled/thermally managed to achieve that. The Donut battery only had metal heat sink on two or even one side - and its performance was even higher at high temperatures. LFP doesn't behave like that, I think?

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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I really want this to be true, but the founder launching AGI 9 months ago doesn't help their credibility a lot. And drip-marketing test results seems like a super weird thing to do, whether it's real or it's not. Don't forget that a lot of scams aren't initially on purpose. Eg Theranos by all accounts very gradually morphed from a mild "fake it till you make it" scheme (mild by Silicon Valley standards at least) into…

> the founder launching AGI 9 months ago Yes, I want this too good to be true battery to be real and that's why I'm looking into such things but this claim is false. He apparently launched "Artificially Superintelligence", which appears to be a marketing term for some architecture this company was working on. The "AGI" term seems to come from people who are going after this CEO. I wasn't able to come up with people w…

I don't think you're going to see investors crashing out on the internet that they got scammed. The ASI video by the CEO shows exactly that he has no idea what's happening. Seems like an investor pitch scam. I wish that the battery was true tho. It's always amazing to see progress in the world.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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But the motorcycles do exist and use these batteries don’t they? Has no one bought one and torn it open yet?

As far as I can tell, no solid-state TS Pro (the TS Pro itself is not an entirely new model and has been around for a couple of years) has been delivered to any customers yet. They're supposed to be delivered in Q1/26, so it shouldn't be too long if they intend to keep their promises. Although if you were to order one today, your bike wouldn't arrive until Q4/26 according to their website.

That will be the only thing to actually watch then. If they keep pushing that out then we will know it's a scam.

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Here's the CEO Marko Lehtimäki selling his magic AGI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgJKjiDLV8 :D He's been a busy beaver!

I don't know about that, the last 4 years everyone is selling magical AI and AGI is around the corner. Including every single top 10 rich people. Was this AI proven to be any more fake Than Sam Altman, Elon Musk or Dario Amodei's one? Did he took similar level of money and delivered less than the promised? What's the scam exactly? They don't seem to claim AGI anyway, they say Artificial Super intelligence which is li…

ASI is one step higher than AGI.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Let me clear some things up as I have experience with places like VTT (but not VTT specifically) in my career.

VTT is a company that you pay to run tests for you. You bring them a product, tell them what tests you need done, and then they do them with honesty and expensive well calibrated gear. Frequently you also send engineers along with your product to provide on the spot support for the testing. It's very likely it was a Donut engineer who setup the cell, attached the heatsinks, adjusted the connections, etc. This is pretty standard, VTT just runs verified tests, they're not experts on your product. Then they give you an official honest report recapping the tests done and the results.

VTT is not an auditor for verifying claims, at least beyond the scope of the test you task them to do. They are a friendly business partner that you pay large amounts of money to for getting you verified tests done on your product.

I really cannot stress enough that VTT is not in it to disprove anything. It's incredibly suspect that in a battery capacity test, Donut did not have VTT verify cell weight or dimension. It's also important to understand that VTT would not request to do this either, because VTT just runs the tests you pay them to, as you tell them to do it. So if donut shows up with a different cell for each test, VTT would not skip a beat, because they are not auditing, they are just doing the tests they are paid to do.

Normally places like VTT thrive on compliance testing, where a regulation outlays the tests needed to be passed, and VTT provides the service of being the third party to run and sign off on those tests. Those tests are then submitted to the regulating body and they are the ones who pass/fail you, not VTT. They just do tests and collect money.

So Donut is writing their own "regulations" here, so they are just having VTT do whatever tests they want as they want them done.

The real test would be someone not affliated with donut taking one of these cells to VTT.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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post #39

Good to have a VTT report confirming the charging speeds, but the actual differentiator would be the energy density I guess, given that BYD has already proven https://volta.foundation/battery-report-2025/ pg. 161)

>BYD has already proven BYD needs to be heavily liquid cooled/thermally managed to achieve that. The Donut battery only had metal heat sink on two or even one side - and its performance was even higher at high temperatures. LFP doesn't behave like that, I think?

Agree, didn't notice that at first in the results, it would potentially allow for less thermal management and even more density at pack level. Curious to see if VTT will also publish a report on the cycles.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about that, the last 4 years everyone is selling magical AI and AGI is around the corner. Including every single top 10 rich people. Was this AI proven to be any more fake Than Sam Altman, Elon Musk or Dario Amodei's one? Did he took similar level of money and delivered less than the promised? What's the scam exactly? They don't seem to claim AGI anyway, they say Artificial Super intelligence which is li…

ASI is one step higher than AGI.

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