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Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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I really don't think so. I feel like we're at a takeoff. Senior engineers using AI coding are 10x more productive. My output has jumped dramatically. I'm a senior engineer and built six nines, active-active systems that moved billions of dollars a day. I am absolutely a beast with these models. I can replace an entire team just by myself. I'm literally shipping an entire week of features in half a day. I'm reviewing…

Video editors using video models can replace entire studio production departments. Writer-directors who know how to direct are essentially now Hollywood studios in their own right. I know a lot about this in particular because I've been making films as a hobby for 15+ years and work with a lot of industry professionals. This is soul destroying. Literally made my day worse thinking about this.

>This is soul destroying.

Why?

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AI bubble won't last forever when a lot of compute is burned at a loss just so people can generate AI videos of sharks driving cars for social media shorts. It will burst at some point, at which HW manufacturing will have to lower prices if they still want to have enough sales to stay in business, since most of their current sales boom comes from HW they haven't even made yet. OpenAI can't keep losing investor money…

Nothing has ever burst when production can't meet demand

It always bursts when demand stops. Current demand is artificially pumped up and financially unsustainable aka a bubble,

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Power and cooling costs also play a role, probably. Even if you have an unbelievable PUE of 1.00, you are still affected by the energy cost increases. There's no running from that. Edit: I misremembered the PUE formula. This comment has been edited to correct my mistake.

A PUE of 1.00 means all of your electricity is used for compute and none for cooling (and other things). "as much electricity for cooling as you spend of compute" would be a PUE of 2. It's "total / compute". And PUE of 2 would be quite bad, most facilities are better than 2.

Thanks. Looks like I misremembered the formula. We run way lower than 2. I have seen some systems running with 1.0x values (I don't remember the exact value).

However, this doesn't mean that the increase in energy costs are not affecting Hetzner.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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I understand the Ai slop casing hardware supply issues and so naturally you'll see an increase in price, but this one is confusing : > Note: All "Server Auction" servers have a 3% price increase across the board. Why would that warrant an increase if the HW is already there ?

Maybe because they still have to pay for part replacements?

Maybe, I guess I assumed it was just already plug and play but probably there is some hardware changes there.

Edit :Yes, it seems your right, I should have checked,

> Support services replacement of defective hardware

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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AI bubble won't last forever when a lot of compute is burned at a loss just so people can generate AI videos of sharks driving cars for social media shorts. It will burst at some point, at which HW manufacturing will have to lower prices if they still want to have enough sales to stay in business, since most of their current sales boom comes from HW they haven't even made yet. OpenAI can't keep losing investor money…

Nothing has ever burst when production can't meet demand

The demand being: "trust me bro we will pay you when we're profitable"

All it'll take is one company to go bust, oracle for example, for the whole thing to deflate

Plus you're factually wrong, it happened for fiber optics and railroads

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Nothing has ever burst when production can't meet demand

The demand being: "trust me bro we will pay you when we're profitable" All it'll take is one company to go bust, oracle for example, for the whole thing to deflate Plus you're factually wrong, it happened for fiber optics and railroads

>All it'll take is one company to go bust, oracle for example, for the whole thing to deflate

Provided that of course, the US administration will be incorruptible enough to not bail out these tech companies with taxpayer money when they do eventually fail.

But when you see the connection between Larry Ellison and Trump, you realize the whole "free market competition" is a scam for suckers. Always has been, just that now they don't even bother to hide it via some complex facades and shell games to garner a veneer of legitimacy, it's straight up banana republic style of corruption.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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AI bubble won't last forever when a lot of compute is burned at a loss just so people can generate AI videos of sharks driving cars for social media shorts. It will burst at some point, at which HW manufacturing will have to lower prices if they still want to have enough sales to stay in business, since most of their current sales boom comes from HW they haven't even made yet. OpenAI can't keep losing investor money…

I really don't think so. I feel like we're at a takeoff. Senior engineers using AI coding are 10x more productive. My output has jumped dramatically. I'm a senior engineer and built six nines, active-active systems that moved billions of dollars a day. I am absolutely a beast with these models. I can replace an entire team just by myself. I'm literally shipping an entire week of features in half a day. I'm reviewing…

Do you get paid 10x? Does your company make 10x?

Nope, because the only companies making money on this bs are companies selling pickaxes and shovels

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The demand being: "trust me bro we will pay you when we're profitable" All it'll take is one company to go bust, oracle for example, for the whole thing to deflate Plus you're factually wrong, it happened for fiber optics and railroads

>All it'll take is one company to go bust, oracle for example, for the whole thing to deflate Provided that of course, the US administration will be incorruptible enough to not bail out these tech companies with taxpayer money when they do eventually fail. But when you see the connection between Larry Ellison and Trump, you realize the whole "free market competition" is a scam for suckers. Always has been, just that…

> Provided that of course, the US administration will be incorruptible enough to not bail out these tech companies with taxpayer money when they do eventually fail.

I'd love them to try that because virtually no one on any part of the political spectrum would get behind that besides the most corrupted and soulless ghouls masquerading as politicians

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So prices will need to increase -- if it makes a senior engineer 10x more productive then coding assistants could easily cost 20x-100x more then what they cost today. Same for video generation.

Given that 10x engineers cost in the millions and that movies cost in the hundreds of millions - this is okay! Edit: HN rate limit won't let me reply, so here - I'm saying that hiring ten senior engineer costs millions. (Not a single 10xer - that's such a debated thing anyway, Fabrice Bellard or not.) AI companies will make bank when they've hooked us all on the tools and raise prices. Companies would likely rather p…

Yap, that's what people don't want to hear.

Right now we are in the cheap phase.

Price can easily triple

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