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CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

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Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#61

Still no confirmation if CXMT or YMTC actually removed from entity list, until then this is jus cheap domestic inputs.

As far as I understand, the "entity list" you are referring to is part of the "Export Administration Regulations", so it restricts sales from the US to restricted entities, not the other way around.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The downside in general is that other countries lose production capacity in steel, heavy industry, semiconductors, machine tools etc - industries that took decades to build and can't be easily replaced. That's not really what happens though. You don't actually "lose" capacity, you just move to higher-valued special niches within the overall industry because (1) you can afford to, while low-cost competitors can't an…

> You don't actually "lose" capacity, you just move to higher-valued special niches within the overall industry That's not what people mean by "lose" capacity. Suppose DRAM companies expand capacity because prices are high, then demand levels off, the price crashes, and they all go out of business except for the one in China which gets a government bailout. That's fine, right? We're not interested in making DRAM, tha…

The domestic industry is still there, only instead of mass-market DRAM it has started making higher-valued varieties of the same stuff. If there's a trade war, they can easily reconvert to making the mass-market stuff, just at much higher cost. You can't expect more than that, since they never really were as big or as low-cost as the lowest cost suppliers can be in normal times. That's not "losing" capacity, it's just acknowledging that you can't create capacity out of thin air.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#64

This decade is going to end with Chinese dominance in everything. Trump and AI handed them everything they need on a platter.

Western European countries got dominant, then got arrogant, letting the USA eat their lunch. USA got dominant, got arrogant, letting China eat their lunch. China is indeed getting dominant. They will get arrogant one day. Meanwhile, Western Europe and the USA are still very good places to live.

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Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#65
post #54

Good news. Now we need Chinese manufacturers of DDR4 chipsets and motherboards.

> Good news. Now we need Chinese manufacturers of DDR4 chipsets and motherboards.

Search aliexpress for X99 dual socket motherboards.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't actually "lose" capacity, you just move to higher-valued special niches within the overall industry That's not what people mean by "lose" capacity. Suppose DRAM companies expand capacity because prices are high, then demand levels off, the price crashes, and they all go out of business except for the one in China which gets a government bailout. That's fine, right? We're not interested in making DRAM, tha…

The domestic industry is still there, only instead of mass-market DRAM it has started making higher-valued varieties of the same stuff. If there's a trade war, they can easily reconvert to making the mass-market stuff, just at much higher cost. You can't expect more than that, since they never really were as big or as low-cost as the lowest cost suppliers can be in normal times. That's not "losing" capacity, it's jus…

> If there's a trade war, they can easily reconvert to making the mass-market stuff, just at much higher cost.

"easily" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Depending on the good and what they switch to making, this may neither be easy nor quick.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#67

Is there a reason GPU's don't use insane "blocks" of sdcard slots (for massively parallel io) so the model weights don't need to pass through a limited PCI bus?

Yes. Let's do the math. The fastest sd cards can read at around 300 MB/s (https://havecamerawilltravel.com/fastest-sd-cards/). Modern GPUs use 16 lanes of PCIe gen 5, which is 16x32Gb/s = 512Gb/s = 64 GB/s. Meaning you'd need over 200 of the fastest SD cards. So what you're asking is: is there a reason GPUs don't use 200 SD cards? And I can't think of any way that would work

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

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post #57
post #54

Good news. Now we need Chinese manufacturers of DDR4 chipsets and motherboards.

Chipsets don't determine the RAM type and all motherboards have been made in China for a while.

Taiwan dominates the global motherboard industry. (ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock, etc. and MediaTek etc)

The big Taiwanese manufacturers are chasing the AI dragon.

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20251021PD219/ai-server-asro... (Oct 2025)

OTOH, now I read small Taiwanese manufacturers who are left out of the Nvidia supply chain are reverting to DDR4 motherboards because of the DDR5 shortage. Strange times.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't actually "lose" capacity, you just move to higher-valued special niches within the overall industry That's not what people mean by "lose" capacity. Suppose DRAM companies expand capacity because prices are high, then demand levels off, the price crashes, and they all go out of business except for the one in China which gets a government bailout. That's fine, right? We're not interested in making DRAM, tha…

The domestic industry is still there, only instead of mass-market DRAM it has started making higher-valued varieties of the same stuff. If there's a trade war, they can easily reconvert to making the mass-market stuff, just at much higher cost. You can't expect more than that, since they never really were as big or as low-cost as the lowest cost suppliers can be in normal times. That's not "losing" capacity, it's jus…

No, the domestic industry stagnates (at best) or disappears (at worst).

You can't just spin up a 2nm wafer fab when the latest you've been running is a 300nm process.

Compare: US shipbuilding industry to China or SK.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#70
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This feels like a classic business blunder. Focus hard on a single business segment, leaving an opening in the market for your competitors. Not because it wasn't profitable, but because it wasn't profitable enough for you, right now. Only downside is that now you've created an opening for a new player in the market. This feels like a short coming of western business/stock market thinking. Focusing on profit within th…

Ok but this is how the market is supposed to work. If the incumbents aren't doing what their customers want, then competitors can rise and fill the gap and compete. This isn't a shortcoming, it's a competitive market working as intended.

Lets not forget there is no competitors. There is one competitor- the chinese state, one huge company willing to subsidize any endeavor that will help it fmgain more marketshare with already captured markets.
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