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Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by saubeidl »

sgt wrote: post #58
saubeidl wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Help me understand your thinking. I was very against Brexit (and still am). What is there to be gained, in your opinion? In my view, you traded being one of the leading voices in what is increasingly shaping up to be one of the world's superpowers for being a somewhat isolated middle power, nostalgic for its former glory. Why would that be worth it?

UK did not need the EU for trade agreements. Those can be set up separately. There were a number of examples where the UK kept losing control, and instead having the EU try to determine the direction. This led to loss in sovereignty and freedom. Sadly though it doesn't seem like the UK politicians are taking advantage of this (regulatory, laws, borders, immigrations etc) just yet, but at least now it's possible. My p…

The Red Tape is the super power. From India to Mercosur, from Canada to Japan, the world follows rules we write.

You gave up the ability to dictate the rules. You'll still have to follow them.

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Post by cedws »

darreninthenet wrote: post #39
cedws wrote: post #17

I was too young to vote in the referendum. I’m incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. If the UK by some miracle rejoins the EU I will make the jump to Europe the very same day. Still looking for a way out in the meantime. The UK just keeps kicking young people down. The boomers voting against our interests are whipping us into working to pay for their triple locked pensions.

You have a way out... you are allowed to live and work in Ireland. Stay there for a few years (I forget how many) and apply for an Irish ( = EU) passport

Yes, it’s a path I have considered/am considering, but it’s a 5 year commitment. I’m in my mid 20s and want to be able to travel without worrying if my residency application will be jeopardised.

The years where I want the freedom of movement the most will have passed by then.

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Post by 0_____0 »

HPsquared wrote: post #30

The UK is such a trap for professionals. It's one of the worst places in the developed world for living standards of white-collar professionals, except a tiny slice of finance workers in London. Especially bad for engineers, and has been for a long time.

I was reading about UK housing and had to look up "rising damp." We don't have that here, or at least not to the level we need a word for it.

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Post by hermanzegerman »

mjmas wrote: post #35
RealityVoid wrote: post #23

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Hmm, is it? Why do you think? I'm not saying it ain't so, but I wonder what signs I'm missing. I couldn't smell this one. Probably because, fundamentally, I find myself agreeing with it. I'm sure this contributes to me be being somewhat tone deaf.

Looking up about Erasmus+ it didn't start until a year after Brexit finally took place, so it can't be really called a loss.

Erasmus+ exists since 2014, maybe you should improve your research skills

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saubeidl wrote: post #48
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Post by varispeed »

blfr wrote: post #59

It is constantly shocking to me that no matter how many times and where in the west people vote against immigration (which is what most of these votes boil down to), they can never get it. It's truly a crown in the gutter moment where you can be completely off-the-wall nuts (vide AfD) and, if you're just willing to campaign on anti-immigration, your ranks will instantly swell. Yet the establishment is somehow complet…

This is because of massive unchecked corruption. In the UK this has become multibillion per year industry where connected landlords / agencies get lucrative contracts from Home Office for keeping immigrants in their properties and then you have complete supply chains developed around this where each entity skims money.

There are billboards where offers of guaranteed rents are advertised etc.

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Post by cedws »

roysting wrote: post #54
cedws wrote: post #17

I was too young to vote in the referendum. I’m incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. If the UK by some miracle rejoins the EU I will make the jump to Europe the very same day. Still looking for a way out in the meantime. The UK just keeps kicking young people down. The boomers voting against our interests are whipping us into working to pay for their triple locked pensions.

What makes you believe you have lost freedom of movement, I’ve met British people all over Europe. If I can meet a Russian living in Switzerland in Amsterdam and a British couple that took the ferry from the island, why are you not free to “move”? On a related note; do you enjoy what America is right now? Because centralizing power and handing your country’s (American states are/were/should be essentially countries)…

>What makes you believe you have lost freedom of movement

Uh, the fact that I cannot stay in Europe for more than 90 days in a 180 day period without a visa? As for all that other rubbish, every European city I’ve been to lives better than the people where I live in London. That’s proof enough for me that the EU is working.

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Post by ForHackernews »

blfr wrote: post #59

It is constantly shocking to me that no matter how many times and where in the west people vote against immigration (which is what most of these votes boil down to), they can never get it. It's truly a crown in the gutter moment where you can be completely off-the-wall nuts (vide AfD) and, if you're just willing to campaign on anti-immigration, your ranks will instantly swell. Yet the establishment is somehow complet…

I assume it's economically catastrophic to cut off the supply of young, low-wage labour and that's why no responsible government will ever do it.
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