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Re: European Tech Alternatives

#61

I tried to find on that website the equivalents of Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, TSMC, Nvidia, OpenAI, Meta, Broadcom, Oracle but didn't succeed.

Zoom in Veldhoven and then try to see the equivalent of ASML anywhere else.

This is not the flex it could be. As far as I know ASML licensed their core tech from US research. Which is why they can dictate who ASML sells to.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#62
post #49

Over the last 20 years, Europe has become irrelevant. There is not a single European LLM on the same level as US or Chinese models. France's Mistral reached 400M in revenue, but I believe it could have been more relevant if the EU had not slowed everything down with overregulation.

That assumes LLMs are relevant and will be around a year from now. Let’s not forget NFTs. Your comment is also blind to the absurd amount of research and projects which are born here but later move to look for funding. So the EU is not irrelevant, on the contrary, we’re just mourning the fall of the US and transitioning to an independent future. Who would’ve though, we’d end up needing to build a copy of everything…

" we’re just mourning the fall of the US ".

Listen to Rubio's speech again.

The EU is in a managed decline, and no number of migrants will change that.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#63
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace. Cyberspace depends on physical reality and everything that comes from that. Resource constraints, economics, politics, arms races, warfare, etc.

Cyberspace promised us we can all work together to create things, like one species coming together to solve problems. Now in 2026, we need to “space” for every little tribe…

it was true for about 3 years give or take

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#64
I don’t understand why Mistral gets so little recognition. They consistently have a top model on benchmarks such as LiveBench and their models are open source. Hugging Face is French, Black Forrest Labs (Stable Diffusion) is German, Weaviate is Dutch, Hetzner for IaasS. There’s AI here. Maybe hardware production is the bigger problem?

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#65

Over the last 20 years, Europe has become irrelevant. There is not a single European LLM on the same level as US or Chinese models. France's Mistral reached 400M in revenue, but I believe it could have been more relevant if the EU had not slowed everything down with overregulation.

Yes, Europe is not as relevant in the unhealthy toy business as the US, which is a good thing.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#66
post #10

Using a European solution just because it’s European sounds wrong to me. Sounds like we’ve done this kind of nationalism in the past and failed. There are other reasons why Europe isn’t attractive for bringing these kinds of technologies to life, and investor money is only a small part of it. Especially in a company’s early days. Building a market reserved for mediocre tech solutions sounds like the wrong way to make…

> Building a market reserved for mediocre tech solutions sounds like the wrong way to make Europe more independent. You can’t foster excellence if you don’t reward it monetarily (enough). No unified capital markets, no high reward as an investor. As an employer/employee takes a year to fire people even when they don’t show up, ergo the incentive is to coast. As a founder you’re buried in bureaucracy and taxes, so the…

> a year to fire people even when they don’t show up

In what country? I just checked, in France it's 15 days. The employer can ask to be paid the notice period, and the employee won't get unemployment benefits.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does Europe need to dump hundreds of billions of dollars into developing a chatbot that will never be able to pay off its debts? Mistral seems like a much more practical and sustainable approach to LLM development than centering the entire economy around a pyramid scheme predicated on selling the belief that AGI is always three months away. China's LLM development relative to resources spent is impressive, but it…

You lost all your credibility if you see AI as "a chatbot".

Conversely, every person calling LLMs "agents" never had any credibility to begin with. Despite my many attempts to coerce an example out of people here, I am still waiting for one (1) singular demonstration of "agentic software" that is capable of replacing production-grade software at scale. Software created by agents that solves a real-world problem and is used by tens of thousands or millions of people. Candidates include an OS, a web browser, an IDE, image editing software akin to Photoshop, a fully-featured Discord/Slack/etc. replacement, a non-trivial video game, music production software, enterprise-grade database software etc., really anything that isn't just another AI tool to produce another AI tool to produce another AI tool culminating in complete psychosis and detachment from anything people do in the real world. If you would like to be the first to provide evidence that these things are more capable than chatbots in concrete terms, by all means, go ahead.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#68
post #49

Over the last 20 years, Europe has become irrelevant. There is not a single European LLM on the same level as US or Chinese models. France's Mistral reached 400M in revenue, but I believe it could have been more relevant if the EU had not slowed everything down with overregulation.

That assumes LLMs are relevant and will be around a year from now. Let’s not forget NFTs. Your comment is also blind to the absurd amount of research and projects which are born here but later move to look for funding. So the EU is not irrelevant, on the contrary, we’re just mourning the fall of the US and transitioning to an independent future. Who would’ve though, we’d end up needing to build a copy of everything…

> That assumes LLMs are relevant and will be around a year from now. Let’s not forget NFTs.

These two things are not alike. At all.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#69
post #17

Every time I see an idea like this (or a politician talking about tech 'sovereignty') I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace. > Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have…

Such an idea never made any real sense, and never will until you can figure out how to move IT infrastructure into a separate dimension where governments have no authority. Those servers have to sit somewhere.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#70
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That assumes LLMs are relevant and will be around a year from now. Let’s not forget NFTs. Your comment is also blind to the absurd amount of research and projects which are born here but later move to look for funding. So the EU is not irrelevant, on the contrary, we’re just mourning the fall of the US and transitioning to an independent future. Who would’ve though, we’d end up needing to build a copy of everything…

" we’re just mourning the fall of the US ". Listen to Rubio's speech again. The EU is in a managed decline, and no number of migrants will change that.

Rubio is a mouthpiece for a regime that’s not qualified to discuss Europe, or even his very own US of A. All he meant in his speech is that his government has chosen isolation
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